Hamas had offered on October 9 or 10 to release all the civilian hostages in exchange for the IDF not entering the Strip, but the government rejected the offer

Thanks. I hope they ask them to leave.

18th of April, you will see Qatar statements re-evaluating their mediator role. Just search in google.
1-2 days ago, news say they stay commited to the mediations.
But I do think they have twisted all arms they can twist at this point, most likely under US pressure too.
I really think that they will ask them to leave their land once the negotiations are over. To keep them in their soil is too much risk for themselves, I think.

The people in Gaza are going to struggle to live a peaceful life.

Tens of thousands of them are dead.
Tens of thousands more are severely injured.
Their homes and infrastructure have been destroyed.

And as has been explained multiple times, even the release of all hostages today wouldn't prevent the plans for the assault on Rafah. The only hope is for a ceasefire/truce deal.

The conflic started by Hams would soon stop if all hostages were released and Hamas operatives arrested and their leader were taken out

The people of Gaza and Israel then could live a peaceful life

Aslo remove the settlers from the west bank

Once the above, ie conflict stops Israelis leader will soon be ejected

I feel sorry for him.

I've no idea how much he knew about what was offered and his take on that , anymore than anyone. He didn't expand on what was offered in detail just that he heard Much later that there was an offer to release on 7 or 8th. No terms of what that entailed.

Would you trust Hamas and not retaliate since hamas also said, we didn't take all the hostages, others groups did and we don't know where they all are or have access to them, so a pointless offer which they knew they couldn't uphold anyway.

For example, whoever would be so stupid to believe they could release hostages they didn't have, or held by other groups or held by random Palestinian people, when they don't know where they are. Hamas are great at deflection of blame.

I imagine any 'offer' was taken for what it appears, a tactic to avoid a retaliation. They couldn't actually release all of them anyway if they didn't hold all of them 🤷

Makes no sense therefore to use this as a 'they could all be home if...' might as well say 'they would all be home if they were never taken in the first place'.

yes and ? Do you expect the person that has represented the families to lie?

Which is also discussed in the interview.

They are harbouring terrorists/terrorist leaders. They could chuck them out so they stand trial for their crimes?

I thought he resigned several months ago?

Do you expect the spokesman of the families forum for the hostages and missing people to lie to a national Israeli newspaper ?

The claim is made in an interview with Haim Rubinstein, published in the Times of Israel. The link is at the start of the thread.

They don't want to do that.

This.

Also is there a reputable source or proof that this was offered?

I am sure they did, but they were claiming they didn't, and saying it wasn't in their power to release them

yet you think Israel could have disabled Hamas so easily

Pretty sure I never suggested it would be easy. I am basing my point on what Americans were suggesting to Netanyahu at the time and they would have a lot of experience with conflicts of all kinds. I guess on one side you are basing your strategy on preserving as much civilian life and infrastructure as possible and securing the safe release of hostages. On the other side you are not trying to achieve any of those things which is why Netanyahu went for that approach

Well clearly they did and clearly Netanyahu knew they did. I think this was established a long time ago

I suppose one question these allegations raise for me is: if there was a line of communication in relation to hostage negotiations, and this was an early offer from Hamas, what steps were taken or not taken to build on that in negotiations?

If my loved ones were hostages, I'd want to know that all avenues were explored, and I'd be very concerned to hear that an early opportunity for negotiations may have been missed/rejected.

Outside of ceasefire/truce framework, that's unlikely to happen as they wouldn't be getting anything in return. The killing of Palestinians would still continue.

Nothing to stop Hamas freeing the hostages now and surrendering, if that is what they want to do

Hamas were saying at that point that they did not know who had the hostages or where they were.

And some people also believe the earth is flat. Logic and facts don't matter to some people.

Anyway, I once again seem to be talking about 9th or 10th of October as per the topic at hand to a poster who is talking about events a few weeks later because that conversation would suit their preferred narrative a lot better. We're having completely different conversations so it's pointless to continue this discussion. If you wish to discuss the actual topic at hand, ie Netanyahu not being satisfied with getting only a few of the hostages back in exchange for Hamas being allowed to remain in power and also to keep dozens upon dozens of hostages indefinitely, then let me know.

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It’s because many people - from both within Israel and outside of Israel - don’t believe that was their plan or that they care about the hostages. It was only after severe pressure from within Israel that they negotiated the release of some hostages.

Some will believe that they had their focus on “eliminating Hamas” and the hostages like the Palestinians civilians who have died are just collateral damage.

Some believe that they saw an opportunity to go into Gaza and destroy the infrastructure to the extent that it would become unlivable, and others believe that they planned to empty Gaza and destroy the Palestinian people there.

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Handy hint - assertion isn’t argument. You’re determined to look at this situation in a particular way. The only thing you’re convincing me of is that you’re prejudiced”

Pots, kettles.

If their plan to go in, rescue hostages and eliminate Hamas had worked, the hostages families would be a lot happier than they are right now. My point is that the plan failed. If it had succeeded, things would have been a lot better for everyone. But it didn't. Because Hamas were better prepared and better funded than anyone thought they were.

It was a gamble and it very much didn't pay off. Things looked very different on the 9th of October to what they look like now. I'm not sure why people are pretending that's not the case.