Rafah bombings (Edited by Mumsnet)

I am appalled at the horror inflicted on civilians by both Israel and Hamas. Unfortunately I cannot see a way out at the moment as Hamas will sacrifice the last civilian before any of their ideology.
Many years ago Golda Meir said something along the lines of "There will only be peace when the Arabs love their own children more than they hate ours". Sadly that is still not the case for their leaders

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Imagine having elected a government who rejected a ceasefire on 09/10
'No doubt' Netanyahu preventing hostage deal, charges ex-spokesman of Families Forum | The Times of Israel
Imagine an elected government who willingly funded Hamas
ttps://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Imagine an elected government who deliberately restrict aid to a civilian population
Democratic lawmakers tell Biden evidence shows Israel is restricting Gaza aid | Reuters
Whilst the WW (worthy westerners) club make it their sole issue that they take to the streets for
Glad the world is waking up to what the Israeli government is inflicting on the women and children, the old and the unborn in Gaza.
Ignoring lots of others, far worse situations, that luckily don't involve Jews.
Grading suffering is really despicable.
And you still come out to support them, spit on murdered hostages, wander through the fence to join in and wonder why the hand of friendship is not extended? Hmmmm
And you still come out to support war crimes and a plausible genocide. Hmmmm

What is Isreal? Who are the IOF?

I don’t support him. I think he is evil and is looking to clear the entire land to build on it. I think he was mostly likely clapping his hands in glee the day Hamas drove in to Isreal and kicked all this off taking and murdering - all nicely caught on go pro vids for the world to see.

what is also sickening is the blind eye that Hamas are given. When for some reason they have thrown the people of Palestine under the bus. They knew they would be annihilated and they said they should be martyred on TV. It’s bonkers people.

if some one revealed that Netanyahu was actually paying Hamas - I’d believe them. Hamas have fucked them up big time.

@TrudyProud ,

‘Stop parroting sound bites. Just say you don't care about the systematic murder of children especially if they are Palestinian.’

This is just a random statement. The whole situation is heart breaking but it is a war and I think that Israel do need to be held to account for the way they have prosecuted it. Civilians always die in wars and it isn’t murder. The question is whether Israel have been cavalier in their approach to civilian lives.

‘The election that got Hamas into power was in 2005. Nearly 20 years ago! There have been no elections since then.’

Well, that was my point, they abolished democracy.

Are you trying to totally divorce Israel’s actions from the atrocity that started it? Maybe you should just clearly state that Jewish lives don’t matter to you.

If anyone supports their Leader, Governement and army, who perpetrate what Israel is doing now, as others have done before, they become part of it, and have to take some responsability for their transgressions, murders and genocide.

Their recent rockets near a recently opened food crossing point had one aim and one only, to bring the Israelis into Rafah and hopefully expand the conflict.
Israel had every right to go in and destroy them.

So does the U.K. have every right to go in and destroy Israel for killing the WCK aid workers? 3 of 7 were British citizens. Is IDF “scum” too?

Israel has been saying for months they are going into Rafah and Nethanyu has repeated it daily over the past week. I tend to think the rockets had zero influence on Israel deciding to go into Rafah because 1) they’d already decided it months ago and 2) have repeatedly refused the UN, EU, many individual nations, - even the US President himself has asked them not to go into Rafah. Nope, they’ve said all along, we are going into Rafah.

Now they are going into Rafah, I really don’t understand how yesterdays half dozen rockets can be used as even a pretext, because it’s post-text.

Netanyahu's supporters

Stop parroting sound bites. Just say you don't care about the systematic murder of children especially if they are Palestinian.

The election that got Hamas into power was in 2005. Nearly 20 years ago! There have been no elections since then.

According to the United Nations the majority of Palestines population is under age the age of 24 ie either not alive during that election or if they were not old enough to vote.

At this point I'm beyond sick of the "what about Hamas " brigade.

What about Isreal
What about the IOF
What about the innocent civilians being murdered

There are two issues here.

I really question how anyone who isn’t antisemitic can show any support for Hamas. They got elected on a false promise of running Gaza for the benefit of the citizens , spent all the aid money building military tunnels and then abolished democracy. Their entire aim is to eradicate Jews, regardless of impoverishing their own people (except their cowardly leaders lead a life of safety and affluence in Qatar).

They are scum.

Their recent rockets near a recently opened food crossing point had one aim and one only, to bring the Israelis into Rafah and hopefully expand the conflict.

Israel had every right to go in and destroy them.

However, separate to this, Israel still need to abide by the rules of war and not conflate civilians with enemy combatants. Hamas are making that hard deliberately but they must still do it. They must also allow the Gazans sufficient food and allow hospitals to operate.

The endgame, though, surely, is to rebuild Gaza better than it was before and to allow aspirational citizens to work, achieve and trade with Israel. The only way for people to understand each other is through working together for mutual success, as Europe did after WW2.

Or you could just say that you agree, it was really wrong to try and starve 2million innocent people and Israel should never have had to be threatened to allow aid in. I'm sure you don't mean to but it comes across like you are trying to excuse the mass starvation of civilians.

Those are people smugglers.
That’s nothing to do with the Egyptian government.

The main players of Oct 7th that remain in Gaza have not been caught and rockets have been fired from humanitarian areas. Therefore Hamas has a presence in Rafah.

True, but they are also in Khan Younis- where IDF is telling civilians to evacuate to. As of last night, heavy fighting in Khan Younis:
https://www.qatar-tribune.com/article/121278/world/southern-gazas-khan-younis-faces-intense-night-of-israeli-air-strikes

@SummerFeverVenice except for those that Egypt profiteer from? Money talks and all that.

news.sky.com/story/the-price-of-freedom-the-company-making-millions-from-gazas-misery-13081454

You dont think that there is a middle ground between doing nothing and starving 2 million people, destroying 60% of homes leaving over 1 million or half of the population people homeless, decimating healthcare, killing around 15,000 children?

What about Israels illegal occupation, the blockade, all of the killing Israel have done prior to 7/10, all of the human rights abuses? Do you think Palestinians should just sit back and let that happen? Where is the blame from people like yourself and others for the persecution that Israel have doled out for decades?

They continue to hold hostages including children.

As does Israel. Civilians, including children, held with no charge of any crime and indefinitely under administrative detention are not legally detained by international standards.

They refuse to make any concessions at discussions for release of the hostages.

That is true of both sides, Hamas want a real ceasefire, Israel wants to keep the war going. Neither is willing to concede.

Nothing to do with the fact that these ‘human shields’ are literally trapped in Gaza with Hamas by Gallant’s 7 month and counting siege of Gaza?

@TextureSeeker imagine having a government who raped, murdered and pillaged and sits on billions in wealth whilst waving from another country all whilst the country you inflicted that on attempts to deliver you aid to prevent you from starving and is prevented from doing so by said government.

Imagine the glee they feel as any support that's offered is attacked and profiteered from. Whilst the WW (worthy westerners) club make it their sole issue that they take to the streets for. Ignoring lots of others, far worse situations, that luckily don't involve Jews.

And you still come out to support them, spit on murdered hostages, wander through the fence to join in and wonder why the hand of friendship is not extended? Hmmmm

Hamas steal the aid.
No evidence of this, but there is evidence of several massacres where IDF soldiers have fired on civilians getting aid, aid workers, aid warehouses and aid vehicles themselves.

WCK deaths
Flour massacres
UN warehouse strikes
Naval strike on aid lorry

They were told to provide humanitarian aid.
They did.

No. WFP reiterated yesterday that Israel continues to block aid
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2024-05-05/un-accuses-israel-of-denying-gaza-aid-access-as-famine-takes-hold

I don't understand why Hamas are not blamed for persecuting their own civilians.

Hamas have been and still are, firing rockets constantly at Tel Aviv (which is rarely reported in the UK) from Gaza so should Israel just sit and let them attack?

Hamas absolutely are using their own people as human shields.

Israel was told to put a contingency plan in place and safe evacuation.
They have.

The only ones who have seen the plan are the US and they said this on Friday:
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Friday said Israel had yet to present "a credible plan to genuinely protect the civilians who are in harm's way", and without such a plan Washington "can't support a major military operation going into Rafah."