Rafah bombings (Edited by Mumsnet)

From other threads Hamas has accepted a deal but Israel is saying this wasn’t the deal hence why their rejection.

Lots of phone calls from the big guys to follow!
I do seriously hope Netanyahu can find his ears and engage his brain when Biden calls him.

Just watched it, BBC news 41 min ago, Iarael rejected it according to them

Is t? Already?

Some sources are saying Israel has rejected it

The Guardian has online that Israel is evaluating the ceasefire proposal accepted by Hamas.
Yet, preparations for Rafah operation continue..

I think the chance of Israeli peacekeeping forces winning over hearts and minds of people in Gaza is probably minimal at best.

If Israel wanted to win over hearts and minds, perhaps they could have not: occupied the Occupied Territories, committed war crimes, starved a population, and ended up being investigated for genocide. It might be a bit hard to come back from that in the eyes of some people.

They will say all sorts of things now, to put blame on the other.
Everything should be investigated thoroughy, but I think it is better to focus of making this ceasefire the final one, instead of getting trap on the blame game.

Times of Israel

Haim Rubenstein-

Netanyahu prevented hostage deal-
Haim Rubinstein claims Israel rejected early Hamas offer to free all civilians if IDF didn't enter Gaza

''We later found out that Hamas had offered on October 9 or 10 to release all the civilian hostages in exchange for the IDF not entering the Strip, but the government rejected the offer.”

They have seen their funding cut (for UNRWA) and their presence in- situ reduced, including visas denied.
I know I oversimplified it, sorry.

"Excuse me, we're starving to death in the ruins of our society while feral dogs eat our dead ..."

"Here, have some more bullets fired at you."

People who willingly destroyed a society, celebrated the commission of war crimes, and expressed genocidal intent towards a people aren't exactly top of my list of people I'd trust to facilitate the rebuilding of that society.

Yeah, a full rebuilt of all departments of government will be needed. They cannot leave anything for Hamas to control. Gaza needs to be free of them.
Israel cannot be trusted to run Gaza and they should leave the West Bank to rule itself freely too.

I wouldn't trust the IDF to manage anything at this point. They've shown what value they (don't) place on the lives of Palestinians.

They haven't pushed out the UN they have tried to undermine the UNWRA. They think the UN is anti-semitic

Absolutely I would not trust the IDF in Gaza and I doubt the international community would either. In NI they had to completely dismantle the Royal Ulster Constabulary because the nationalist communities had no trust in them. They set up a completely new police force called the Police Service of Northern Ireland

I always thought that the UN would have to keep order till they are ready to stablish new parties and elections.
Israel will not take kindly to the UN. I actually think they have pushed the UN out of the way for this very reason. But I do think we should bring it back.

Agreed @Dulra and@NerdWhoEatsMedlar

I do not think Israel should run Gazain the interim. I actually think that is a very bad idea!

@Newbutoldfather
In the short term Israel will have to run it.
Are you insane? You think the best place to rebuild Gaza and built trust is to have Israel in charge. The IDF have killed 10s of thousands of them and openly despise them. It would have to be an international peace keeping force independent of either Israel or Hamas.

I think an international peace keeping force will be required.

Israel does indeed have a right to self defence. However, they have demonstrated that they have no clue about proportionality.

It has to stop, one way or another.
There will not be any better time than now.
News record celebrations in Rafah in hope of this meaning the attack is not going ahead.
I do hope that they release the remainder of the hostages. I do wonder how many of them are alive and how are they doing with the lack of food and supplies?

Or, indeed, the Golan Heights.