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..but would someone mind explaining what is happening in Palestine

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IcePoleQueen · 24/04/2024 08:24

..and why?

Admittedly, I really do not follow current affairs. I don't watch television or read newspapers etc. I know there is conflict and a lot of people have sadly lost their lives, but I don't understand why?

I have tried to read up on Palestine, Gaza, Israel.. but it's very confusing and seems to stem back decades.

Please can someone explain the history and current situation in plain, simple terms.

Thank you.

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KittenQuibbles · 14/08/2024 15:05

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 14:59

Just Israel xx

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Thank you for correcting your error. For future reference, putting quote marks around Israel can be seen as a denial that the country exists or has a right to exist.

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 15:03

JaneDoeHere · 14/08/2024 15:01

Well that one is a question to ask Hamas and the Palestinians supporting them.

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Hamas aren’t bombing their own schools and hospitals, gang raping civilians (on camera) and protesting for their right to do so.

cupcaske123 · 14/08/2024 15:02

JaneDoeHere · 14/08/2024 15:01

Well that one is a question to ask Hamas and the Palestinians supporting them.

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They'd probably agree that it's genocidal.

JaneDoeHere · 14/08/2024 15:01

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 14:59

How else would you describe the constant bombing of civilians? The bombing of convoys of civilians who have been told to move from
one place to another?
The starvation and destruction of medical supplies?
The fact that there are no functioning hospitals or schools left in Palestine?

I don’t hate Jewish people, I am a Jew. A Jew opposed to Genocide.

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Well that one is a question to ask Hamas and the Palestinians supporting them.

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Just Israel xx

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 14:59

JaneDoeHere · 14/08/2024 14:56

No, there is no genocide happening against Palestinian people.
Many Palestinians voted in the terrorists to run Gaza.

its similar to this obsession of taking the word antisemitism and changing its meaning, and again with Zionism and changing its meaning… you can use the word genocide but you are not using it correctly.

some people are so obsessed with hating (Israelis/ Israeli government/ zionists, when they mean the word Jew but are too scared to say it) that they think they can say a genocide is happening when quite simply it isn’t.

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How else would you describe the constant bombing of civilians? The bombing of convoys of civilians who have been told to move from
one place to another?
The starvation and destruction of medical supplies?
The fact that there are no functioning hospitals or schools left in Palestine?

I don’t hate Jewish people, I am a Jew. A Jew opposed to Genocide.

JaneDoeHere · 14/08/2024 14:58

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No, there is no genocide happening against Palestinian people.
Many Palestinians voted in the terrorists to run Gaza.

its similar to this obsession of taking the word antisemitism and changing its meaning, and again with Zionism and changing its meaning… you can use the word genocide but you are not using it correctly.

some people are so obsessed with hating (Israelis/ Israeli government/ zionists, when they mean the word Jew but are too scared to say it) that they think they can say a genocide is happening when quite simply it isn’t.

1dayatatime · 14/08/2024 14:55

Oh great yet another Gaza post that starts with "I don't know much about what's happening in Gaza but could someone please explain to me why [insert something provocative) .

At best you are being lazy - just google it and read from as many different sides of the debate as possible in order to form your own opinion.

At worst you are being goady trying to start yet another unhelpful polarising thread, which once you've got going you step away from.

I've seen way too many of these type of threads.

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 14:55

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I explained my reasoning, which answered your question.

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 14:54

blackcherryconserve · 14/08/2024 14:52

Hamas started the war.

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They didn’t though?

The Nakba happened in 1948, and Palestinians have been suffering at the hands of the Israeli government ever since.

ZingyZebra · 14/08/2024 14:53

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TessTackle · 14/08/2024 14:53

blackcherryconserve · 14/08/2024 14:50

Could you be more patronising 'hope this helps'!
The Bible is the nearest thing you'll find of history that long ago.

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I probably could be. The Bible isn’t a historical text, it’s a religious book.
This is like me saying the Torah is actually the closest thing to a historical text of the time (considering Judaism is much older than Christianity) but that’s not true.

blackcherryconserve · 14/08/2024 14:52

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 14:25

Did Hamas start a war? Or did Hamas commit an atrocity after 70+ years of suffering at the hands of the Israeli government and zionists?

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Hamas started the war.

JaneDoeHere · 14/08/2024 14:51

TwilightSkies · 14/08/2024 13:15

Hating Jews? Or are Palestinians fighting back after 70 years of violence and oppression?

Oh, definitely hating Jews.

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 14:51

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I want to be clear that “Israel” and Israeli people are two different things, probably should have been clearer about that.

blackcherryconserve · 14/08/2024 14:50

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 14:21

The bible isn’t a history book, hope this helps

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Could you be more patronising 'hope this helps'!
The Bible is the nearest thing you'll find of history that long ago.

cupcaske123 · 14/08/2024 14:49

Kingoftheroad · 14/08/2024 14:19

Thats the thing its not another genocide committed by Israel. Hamas started a war, they knew what they were doing. Theyve been given ample opportunities for a cease fire (including most of the west bank) and they rejected it. The government of Palestine alone are effectively killing their own people. They receive hundreds of tonnes of aid which they allow in and never distribute to their own people. They receive funding from hostile states that carry out horrific atrocities

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So the Palestinians are basically killing themselves? Interesting take.

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TessTackle · 14/08/2024 14:43

Bellahadthese · 14/08/2024 14:31

When loved ones' remains are being handed to you in carrier bags having been blown apart by Israeli bombs, when IDF soldiers who gangraped Palestinian prisoners are going on tv to defend themselves and the population is rioting- not against the raping but against the questioning of the right to rape, when people are literally starving to death and a man went to register the birth of his babies and by the time he got back they had bene obliterated by the Israelis then
I don't know how anyone can defend Israel at this point. The cruelty is on another level but yes it's all anti- semetism.

This, this, this!!

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 14/08/2024 14:40

TheUnMember · 14/08/2024 14:24

They kind of did. Israel accepted it and all the surrounding arab states declared war on the newly established Israel and invaded it. The Palestinians spent the next 70 years playing the victim because they lost a war them and their mates started.

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This is the bit I hadn’t realised til this year.

And dont Israel think “the area” includes what is now Jordan as this was part of the original area than was split?

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 14/08/2024 14:37

Dotjones · 14/08/2024 14:08

One side believes they have a right to live in a certain area of land and also have the right to decide who else can live there. They believe they are victims of oppression and any violence they use is justified self-defence, even if that's pro-active violence rather than passively waiting for an attack.

The other side basically believe the same thing.

It’a a massive simplification but i think this is right.

And both have an arguable case to say they were “there first” because obviously the religious/ ethnic groupings go back to times when lots of different tribes were in the same area.