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..but would someone mind explaining what is happening in Palestine

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IcePoleQueen · 24/04/2024 08:24

..and why?

Admittedly, I really do not follow current affairs. I don't watch television or read newspapers etc. I know there is conflict and a lot of people have sadly lost their lives, but I don't understand why?

I have tried to read up on Palestine, Gaza, Israel.. but it's very confusing and seems to stem back decades.

Please can someone explain the history and current situation in plain, simple terms.

Thank you.

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blackcherryconserve · 14/08/2024 19:51

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Lettherebejustice · 14/08/2024 19:49

Here's some more for you to read

www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields

Lettherebejustice · 14/08/2024 19:44

blackcherryconserve · 14/08/2024 19:43

Just listen to yourself indeed. The IDF has not used civilians as human shields. This is on Hamas.

Do a little research and you might be surprised.

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 19:44

blackcherryconserve · 14/08/2024 19:43

Just listen to yourself indeed. The IDF has not used civilians as human shields. This is on Hamas.

They have.
There is photographic and video evidence of it.

blackcherryconserve · 14/08/2024 19:43

Just listen to yourself indeed. The IDF has not used civilians as human shields. This is on Hamas.

Lettherebejustice · 14/08/2024 19:34

blackcherryconserve · 14/08/2024 19:00

Hamas terrorists hide among Palestinian civilians wherever they can knowing that IDF will seek them out wherever they happen to be hiding. That is why hospitals and schools are destroyed. Hamas cares less about innocent people dying than anyone else.

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Just listen to yourself will you. Are you really trying to justify the countless deaths of innocent civilians, it's most certainly ideal for the IDF to trot out that line after every single bombing despite condemnation from the rest of the world. It's utterly despicable. FWIW if you want to talk about human shields, it's a practice that the IDF have been employing for decades. Using Palestinians as human shields that is.

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 19:06

cindyhove · 14/08/2024 18:40

Yes it is true. Read the history of the area instead of believing SM

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I know the history of the area, being that Israel is touted as the “promised land” of my people.
That history doesn’t take away from the fact that Hamas was born as a result of the atrocities committed by Israel in 1948.

The use of the word “war” turns my stomach, it cannot be referred to as a war when one side is indiscriminately bombing raping and murdering and the other is simply trying to survive.

According to them, the IOF are the most highly trained military in the world. Why then, have they not eradicated Hamas if they are the problem?
The answer is clear, Israel is and always has been planning to ethnically cleanse what is Palestine and turn the entire area into a Zionist haven.

Maybe you should spend more time having a look at the social media accounts of the Palestinians suffering every single day instead of investing the propaganda Israel and the west are rolling out.

blackcherryconserve · 14/08/2024 19:02

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 14/08/2024 14:40

This is the bit I hadn’t realised til this year.

And dont Israel think “the area” includes what is now Jordan as this was part of the original area than was split?

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Some Israelis do, yes.

blackcherryconserve · 14/08/2024 19:00

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 15:03

Hamas aren’t bombing their own schools and hospitals, gang raping civilians (on camera) and protesting for their right to do so.

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Hamas terrorists hide among Palestinian civilians wherever they can knowing that IDF will seek them out wherever they happen to be hiding. That is why hospitals and schools are destroyed. Hamas cares less about innocent people dying than anyone else.

cindyhove · 14/08/2024 18:40

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Yes it is true. Read the history of the area instead of believing SM

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 14/08/2024 17:53

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 14:43

This, this, this!!

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I think there’s a difference between defending what the Israelis are doing right now - or their govt is doing - which amounts to war crimes, and defending their right to exist.

Much as there’s a difference between defending what Hamas did on 7 Oct - which was terrorism - and defending the right of Palestinian people to live and to also have a state.

TakeMe2Insanity · 14/08/2024 17:43

blackcherryconserve · 14/08/2024 17:40

Israel wants land from Jordan and Lebanon? Where are you reading this shite!

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Have a look at the state supported settlers, I believe this has been covered by Haaretz and other outlets.

www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-18/ty-article/.premium/lebanon-part-of-the-promised-land-israels-messianic-right-wing-targets-new-territory/00000190-2b9d-d340-a1f8-2b9d18220000

blackcherryconserve · 14/08/2024 17:40

TakeMe2Insanity · 14/08/2024 17:30

How? If it’s one rule for Israel then it should be for the rest of the world. If Israel can “reclaim” land from historical times why can’t other countries and people? Israel is quite clear it wants land from Lebanon and Jordan among other places why can’t everyone else claim?

Why don’t you be honest about denying the rights of Palestinians to have a normal life?

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Israel wants land from Jordan and Lebanon? Where are you reading this shite!

TakeMe2Insanity · 14/08/2024 17:30

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How? If it’s one rule for Israel then it should be for the rest of the world. If Israel can “reclaim” land from historical times why can’t other countries and people? Israel is quite clear it wants land from Lebanon and Jordan among other places why can’t everyone else claim?

Why don’t you be honest about denying the rights of Palestinians to have a normal life?

CrispsAndWines · 14/08/2024 16:22

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Lettherebejustice · 14/08/2024 16:00

Since 7 October 2023, the IDF has been accused of indiscriminate mass arrest and detainment;[150][151] extrajudicial killing of unarmed Palestinian detainees,[152][153] doctors,[154] and workers; making threats of mutilation,[155] death, arson, and rape;[156] and torturing Palestinians detained without legal charges.[157] It has also been accused of using excessive force against dozens of schools[158] and hospitals;[159] theft;[160] the cruel and unnecessary desecration and mutilation of deceased Palestinians;[154] and making no, or an inadequate, distinction between Hamas forces and civilians.[161] The targeting and destruction of a variety of cultural and educational sites have also been pointed to as genocidal actions.

Gaza genocide - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide#cite_note-161

Lettherebejustice · 14/08/2024 15:54

You can read more about the Gaza genocide here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

Gaza genocide - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

justbeingasmartarse · 14/08/2024 15:22

Dotjones · 14/08/2024 14:08

One side believes they have a right to live in a certain area of land and also have the right to decide who else can live there. They believe they are victims of oppression and any violence they use is justified self-defence, even if that's pro-active violence rather than passively waiting for an attack.

The other side basically believe the same thing.

This sums it up quite well.

blackcherryconserve · 14/08/2024 15:22

1dayatatime · 14/08/2024 14:55

Oh great yet another Gaza post that starts with "I don't know much about what's happening in Gaza but could someone please explain to me why [insert something provocative) .

At best you are being lazy - just google it and read from as many different sides of the debate as possible in order to form your own opinion.

At worst you are being goady trying to start yet another unhelpful polarising thread, which once you've got going you step away from.

I've seen way too many of these type of threads.

Just what I thought. There's plenty of information available, far more than for any other conflict ATM but no one keeps posting new threads about them. I wonder why that is 🤔

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