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Conflict in the Middle East

..but would someone mind explaining what is happening in Palestine

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IcePoleQueen · 24/04/2024 08:24

..and why?

Admittedly, I really do not follow current affairs. I don't watch television or read newspapers etc. I know there is conflict and a lot of people have sadly lost their lives, but I don't understand why?

I have tried to read up on Palestine, Gaza, Israel.. but it's very confusing and seems to stem back decades.

Please can someone explain the history and current situation in plain, simple terms.

Thank you.

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Kingoftheroad · 15/08/2024 16:49

oh you must have missed the part where the still have hundreds of innocent civilians in captivity

cupcaske123 · 15/08/2024 16:46

Kingoftheroad · 15/08/2024 16:43

Well said. Hamas have continually rejected israeli proposals including almost all of the west bank. They reject or break peace agreements. Their people are dying because of their own actions. Only they can put a stop to this. Stop hostilities and live peacefully with your neighbours

What hostilities are Hamas currently enacting? I only see hostility from Israel. The figure now is 40,000 Palestinians. Perhaps the hostility from Hamas is not being reported. Do you have reports of Hamas hostility since last year?

Kingoftheroad · 15/08/2024 16:43

MaSaladeEstEnorme · 15/08/2024 10:49

The world is hardly standing by. Remove the emotion and hyperbole for a minute, and tell us your solution? One that doesn't involve more deaths in Gaza but also not wiping out the population of Israel.

Well said. Hamas have continually rejected israeli proposals including almost all of the west bank. They reject or break peace agreements. Their people are dying because of their own actions. Only they can put a stop to this. Stop hostilities and live peacefully with your neighbours

Martymcfly24 · 15/08/2024 11:20

MaSaladeEstEnorme · 15/08/2024 10:49

The world is hardly standing by. Remove the emotion and hyperbole for a minute, and tell us your solution? One that doesn't involve more deaths in Gaza but also not wiping out the population of Israel.

Thank you @Dulra . You have said what I was going to say

I actually had a whole reply typed out and then I looked at your message again and reread the words "emotion and hyperbole"on Mumsnet and I deleted it.

37 mothers a day are dying but it's ok I am far too emotional about it all.

Dulra · 15/08/2024 11:15

MaSaladeEstEnorme · 15/08/2024 11:03

@Dulra I wasn't talking to you.

Fgs it is public forum we read comments and respond to them. Pm the person if you want a private conversation. Pretty insulting response to me

EasterIssland · 15/08/2024 11:06

MaSaladeEstEnorme · 15/08/2024 11:03

@Dulra I wasn't talking to you.

This is a forum. Anyone can take part not only those you directly ask.

I agree with every single word @Dulra has said. israel can self defend , as long as it’s within international law. What Israel government and some members of IDF are doing is not within this law

MaSaladeEstEnorme · 15/08/2024 11:03

@Dulra I wasn't talking to you.

Dulra · 15/08/2024 11:01

MaSaladeEstEnorme · 15/08/2024 10:49

The world is hardly standing by. Remove the emotion and hyperbole for a minute, and tell us your solution? One that doesn't involve more deaths in Gaza but also not wiping out the population of Israel.

One that doesn't involve more deaths in Gaza but also not wiping out the population of Israel.

Stop bombing innocent civilians indiscriminately, let humanitarian aid and medical supplies in, allow for the establishment of field hospitals in safe zones so the sick and injured can be treated properly and humanely. All of this will save lives in Gaza none of it will lead to wiping out the population of Israel. The fact that you can't come up with simple measures such as that and assume any attempt to safeguard Palestinian lives will lead to Israel being wiped out is completely irrational.

Zzippit · 15/08/2024 11:00

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You must have quoted me by mistake because that’s clearly not related to my post in any way.

TakeMe2Insanity · 15/08/2024 10:56

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Zzippit · 15/08/2024 10:51

TakeMe2Insanity · 15/08/2024 08:31

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40,000

It’s not a competition. The PP’s numbers were wrong and deliberately dismissive. Guess some people still haven’t figured out you don’t need to attempt to erase and minimise the death and suffering on one side to deplore it on the other.

MaSaladeEstEnorme · 15/08/2024 10:49

Martymcfly24 · 15/08/2024 09:39

The world is once again standing by, America most of Europe and others are supporting and propping up Israel financially. They rely on them.

Every image of bloodied children, of heartbroken parents, of dead eyes of a population forgotten is going to be saved in history for all time.
Those images of white shrouds lying on grounds or being held by grieving mothers are there for all time. And if Israel achieve their aims and raze Palestine to the ground and it's occupants are all gone those images will be what the world remembers as they build their beach houses.

The world is hardly standing by. Remove the emotion and hyperbole for a minute, and tell us your solution? One that doesn't involve more deaths in Gaza but also not wiping out the population of Israel.

Martymcfly24 · 15/08/2024 09:39

Kingoftheroad · 15/08/2024 08:33

I agree with everything you said. Try as they might. Evil will NEVER EVER destroy the Jews. We will survive. War is horrible Hamas is an evil regime. Jews didn’t riot or protest or scream and shout. We merely stood together and sang the Israeli national anthem.

Israel has always maintained that they will not tolerate any attacks on their people. They will hit back harder, the world stood by once and allowed mass genocide on an industrial scale. They will never rely on anyone else again.

Christians all over the world are standing with Israel.

My heart aches for the innocent Palestinian people it really does.

peace talks today, not sure if Hamas will even show up.

The world is once again standing by, America most of Europe and others are supporting and propping up Israel financially. They rely on them.

Every image of bloodied children, of heartbroken parents, of dead eyes of a population forgotten is going to be saved in history for all time.
Those images of white shrouds lying on grounds or being held by grieving mothers are there for all time. And if Israel achieve their aims and raze Palestine to the ground and it's occupants are all gone those images will be what the world remembers as they build their beach houses.

Lettherebejustice · 15/08/2024 09:01

I suppose some of you haven't stopped to think it's anything to do with Israel continuing to break international law either. How many more illegal settlements do we all have to turn a blind eye to so that nobody gets offended?

Lettherebejustice · 15/08/2024 08:54

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I think it's easier for some of you to placate yourself with the thought that it's all about Israel hatred. Rather than take a moment to reflect on why there is global criticism against the Israeli government and the IDF. I suppose you didnt give it a thought that it may just be to do with their atrocious actions and conduct in this war? any other democracy who acted in such a manner would be called out just the same way.

Kingoftheroad · 15/08/2024 08:33

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I agree with everything you said. Try as they might. Evil will NEVER EVER destroy the Jews. We will survive. War is horrible Hamas is an evil regime. Jews didn’t riot or protest or scream and shout. We merely stood together and sang the Israeli national anthem.

Israel has always maintained that they will not tolerate any attacks on their people. They will hit back harder, the world stood by once and allowed mass genocide on an industrial scale. They will never rely on anyone else again.

Christians all over the world are standing with Israel.

My heart aches for the innocent Palestinian people it really does.

peace talks today, not sure if Hamas will even show up.

TakeMe2Insanity · 15/08/2024 08:31

Zzippit · 14/08/2024 23:18

726 Israeli civilians
71 foreign nationals
379 security forces
251 taken hostage
128 hostages still in Gaza
At least 65 of those hostages also killed.*

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40,000

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Lalaloveya · 15/08/2024 00:13

Kingoftheroad · 14/08/2024 22:38

Hamas use schools, hospitals etc as human shields. They slaughtered 1400
people who were only attending a concert.

This was instigated and caused by them.

release the hostages. Palestine is entirely to blame. They are backed by hostile nations with deplorable human rights records.

That might be a valid argument if they weren't also doing all the things @Martymcfly24 outlined in their post above. 2100 children under the age of 2 have been slaughtered in the last 10 months by Israeli forces.

If you're defending Israel's actions I wouldn't bring human rights into it. The IDF are behaving like savages.

Zzippit · 14/08/2024 23:18

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 22:54

695 civilians*

726 Israeli civilians
71 foreign nationals
379 security forces
251 taken hostage
128 hostages still in Gaza
At least 65 of those hostages also killed.*

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 22:54

Kingoftheroad · 14/08/2024 22:38

Hamas use schools, hospitals etc as human shields. They slaughtered 1400
people who were only attending a concert.

This was instigated and caused by them.

release the hostages. Palestine is entirely to blame. They are backed by hostile nations with deplorable human rights records.

695 civilians*

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 22:52

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Martymcfly24 · 14/08/2024 22:51

Kingoftheroad · 14/08/2024 22:38

Hamas use schools, hospitals etc as human shields. They slaughtered 1400
people who were only attending a concert.

This was instigated and caused by them.

release the hostages. Palestine is entirely to blame. They are backed by hostile nations with deplorable human rights records.

Human Rights extend to all:

Not to be slaughtered as they slept.
Not to have children targeted and shot by snipers in the head.
Not to have aid workers/doctors and journalists that are trying to help them targeted and murdered.
Not to be displaced numerous times.
Not to be raped and sexually abused by soldiers.
Not to be starved and endure a man made famine.
Not to be used as human shields.
Have access to medicine and medical facilities.
Have access to an education.

I don't think anyone supporting the actions of Israel and the IDF should be using the term Human Rights.

Kingoftheroad · 14/08/2024 22:38

Lalaloveya · 14/08/2024 20:50

Israel has bombed every hospital in Gaza.

People blaming the Palestinians for what's happening to them, which may very well be genocide, is beyond me.

Hamas use schools, hospitals etc as human shields. They slaughtered 1400
people who were only attending a concert.

This was instigated and caused by them.

release the hostages. Palestine is entirely to blame. They are backed by hostile nations with deplorable human rights records.

Kingoftheroad · 14/08/2024 22:28

TessTackle · 14/08/2024 21:09

Why do we?

What makes us so much more special than everyone else?

Troll somewhere else I don’t have patience for you

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