..but would someone mind explaining what is happening in Palestine

I'm not not sure what point you are trying to make here, other than the erasure of 70 years of history but seeing as Palestinians don't feature as a concern for you at any stage, there's no point in engaging with you any further.

I am advocating for Israel, I believe it should be a safe state for all people, but especially Jews considering the history.

As you should know, Jewish people lived there for a long time prior to when it became an official state. As you know, it wasn’t Palestine. So trying to “claim” it back when it wasn’t there’s to begin with isn’t going to work.

like I said, in there where and now, the best solution is a two state one. Only time will tell.

You also can't have it when Israel won't allow it.

But if you ignore the last 70 years of history, or deny it happened, there's no point in discussing solutions with you.

Again, simply not true.

And, if you are talking about decades of oppression and mistreatment take a look around from where Jewish people have been exiled from - pretty much everywhere.

The best outcome in the here and now is a two-state solution. However, you cannot have that with people who are happy with Hamas running their country.

Because that take completely ignores the decades of occupation and mistreatment of Palestinians.

And people don’t need to stand up for Palestinian rights to the extent of bullying Israelis and Jewish people and anyone who disagrees. It feels very black and white so it’s how I feel I need to react

So why when people are standing up for Palestinian rights they aren’t calling out the problem… it’s been said before, you don’t see people saying free Gaza from Hamas, you don’t see people acting on issues caused by Hamas.

Hamas started this current war. Why are people not protesting about that? From the beginning people jumped on to this and most used it as an excuse to be antisemitic and to shout about how they hate Israel.

There is support amongst Jewish people and Israeli people who support charities that help both sides. There are not many but there are some.

I don't think many people comment on these threads much now. Usually they are the same people chatting to each other. I think many Jewish mns use a safer caring thread on their own boards due to all the anti semitism. I don't blame them.

Others I believe, got fed up of being accused of things they didn't say, etc so don't bother (I'm in that group), although I do read sometimes I ignore the goady comments from those who don't understand why Israel needs to defend itself, and why many nations realise that, so it's not worth responding.

Well, this thread has certainly taken a turn circa November 2023 CITME.

It's true that some people are anti Semitic, but standing up for Palestinians' rights doesn't automatically make someone anti semitic.

Often people believe in human rights for all, Israelis also, yet by making it so black and white you do a disservice to all, your own included.

?? There haven't been elections in Palestine since 2006, How many options do you reckon the people have livgng as they do packed into the strip and how friendly do you expect them to be to their occupiers? They can't even move freely, they are continually harassed, and see what the settlers do in illegal village erasures and reconstructions as stolen land, and many still remember the Nakba, and have relatives in the massive, sprawling refugee camps in Lebanon and Jordan that resulted from those hideous events. I've been there, those people can't work or leave, or vote, they only dream of returning. Even if they rebuked Hamas before all this kicked off, there was never security for Israel with all these layers of hurt against one another. The leaders on both sides did little for reconciliation or reparation, instead more walls, more attacks, more division, more wrongs added to the pile of wrongs remembered by generations...Likud even assassinated their own guy, the last Prime Minister before Netanyahu who has been in power these 20 years, Yitzhak Rabin, for trying to make any kind of peace!

I'm still working out how to use this site! Apologies. It was a direct response to a comment.

I'ts true that some people are anti Semitic, but standing up for Palestinians' rights doesn't automatically make them so

No one has said otherwise have they?

Often people believe in human rights for all, Israelis also, by making it so black and white you do a disservice to all, your own included

Who are you aiming this comment at?

I'ts true that some people are anti Semitic, but standing up for Palestinians' rights doesn't automatically make them so. Often people believe in human rights for all, Israelis also, by making it so black and white you do a disservice to all, your own included.

No, this war has its roots in apartheid and forced displacement, have you even heard of the Nakba? And it goes further back into the horrific treatment of Jewish people by the NOzis in WWII.

I'm hardly ever on here! Sorry.

I take no pleasure in telling you that the IOF also use people as human shields, it was in the mjajor newspapers this month, often handcuffed, untried prisoners are pushed down mine shafts and so on. This propaganda narrative that they are moral is not something to swallow as there is so much evidence out there, they are often kids taught to love nationalism above humanity, check out the documentary by past members called "Israelism" the www.israelismfilm.com/ Doc website.

@MissyB1 so true

I think most people who realise that no longer engage with these threads. They do sow division.

I hope the latest ceasefire talks prove fruitful.

Seriously why is this thread still going when it's was very clear that it's intent was to goad, sew division and polarise views.

If anyone genuinely wants a peaceful solution as soon as possible then threads like this are not the way to achieve it.

Israeli terrorists openly burning down Palestinian homes and property at this current time in the illegally occupied west bank.. one Palestinian has also been murdered.

@Kingoftheroad you only have condemnation for one side
Is this the peace you talk about?

https://x.com/AlonLeeGreen/status/1824152181110608241?t=wn2FLculZzzUenYk3UY1IQ&s=19

Are Israel planning on living peacefully with their neighbours? The track record isn't great there is it? Israel have been breaking international law for years the ICJ described their laws in their illegally occupied territories as “tantamount to the crime of apartheid". How are you supposed to live peacefully with a illegal occupier who has laws that are tantamount to the crime of apartheid, who illegally exploit Palestinian resources and violate their basic human right to self dermination(all of this is according to the ICJ)? Perhaps Israel should start leading by example, start withdrawing from their illegally occupied land, pay reparations as advised by the ICJ and be a peaceful country itself. I haven't heard of any plans from Israel that shows that they plan to stop 'systematically discriminating' (again the ICJs words) against Palestinians or that shows they have any intention of living peacefully with their neighbours.

I see. Apparently there are over 1000 "administrative detainees" - Palestinians indefinitely imprisoned without charge, in Israel. Would they be classed as innocent civilians in captivity?

do you mean those in prison for a crime they didn’t commit or without a judge saying they’re guilty or a fair court ? Do you mean those that have disappeared and appear months after death after torture ? Do you mean those that are being tortured and raped whilst in prison?

lets not pretend that hamas is the only one keeping innocent civilians in captivity. Israel is doing it as well.