How have we come to a state where the police confront someone for being overtly Jewish?

https://x.com/doubledownnews/status/1784527685663805531?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Naomi, Jewish Activist

Its about weighing up the purpose, cost, benefit isnt it? As all these threads have shown the marchers have different agendas which can be interpreted in different ways. Calling for a 'ceasefire' is actually quite meaningless because a ceasefire can only happen as a result of negotiation. - if you go on a march its hard to read what terms a marcher thinks would be acceptable & why should Israelis or Palestinians or Egyptians, Jordanians, Quataris etc be swayed by the opinion of a British marcher? Of course some marchers will have written to their MP or signed a petition but many wont. A letter can be calibrated to the issue at the time. But we know the cost of the marches. We dont know the benefits. Is it really worth the cost to the fabric of society? The cost to those that need the police but aren't getting their services? The cost to those that feel unsafe? Its not just Jews seeing clear unambiguous antisemitism on the streets week after week. Lots of people are terrified of going into London because they are quite anxious of conflict & disruption.

That's a separate matter. My point was you are assuming that people haven't utilised alternative methods to make a difference/take a stand.

@mids2019 how do you know if the people at the marches haven't already written to their MP's?

This so much.

Perhaps MN towers disagrees with you and sees that at least some posters are engaging constructively.

You might as well take down the entire CITME board with your argument.

As going off on a tangent means discussing something not directly connected, then I am surprised the thread has done so after a specific MN request.

Unless Mumsnet come on here and facilitate the discussion themselves I'm not sure how they can insist on that. I don't think discussions going off in tangents is the same as intentional derailment. We're on page 24 of the thread which asks quite an open question I'm not surprised it has gone off in tangents.

I think the current discussion about Zionism is certainly relevant to the question of why Gideon Falter got called a Nazi.

Yes, but Mumsnet HAS specifically asked for it to be kept on track and been ignored since the request.

The recent post claiming that pro-Palestinians are antisemitic was by a pro-Palestinian.

Mumsnet has obviously decided not to delete the thread. You could report specific posts that you find offensive and they may get deleted

You’re right- I should have said that’s not a version of zionists that actual Zionists I know have ever espoused. It’s a distortion.

No, this is on another level. I've gone through some pages and honestly it's disgusting what I'm reading. It's just hateful, trolling on both sides. I'd consider myself impartial and wanting the best for both sides. But so far I've read that Israel is worse than Hitler, and pro-Palestinians are antisemitic.

I am paraphrasing as I've read a lot, so can't remember exact wording but that's the jist. That's a bit different to threads that naturally digress from the op.

Doesn't that characterise most of the threads in this section?

Do you mean this thread?

If you have reported it and it's still here means Mumsnet doesn't agree with you

Birth rates are an issue for a lot of countries. That's why you have the likes of Miriam Cates begging white middle class Brits to have babies to preserve 'national identity'.

When is this post going to be taken down?
I've reported it many times now and the MN team are allowing for lies, misleading information, hate speech to be perpetuated.

I think it's become abundantly clear both sides cannot engage in healthy dialogue or debate. Neither can agree to disagree.

Frankly I don't see how Israel will achieve or maintain a 'Jewish state, for Jewish people alone' while granting equal rights to non Jewish citizens. Simple demographics changes and relative birth rates will scupper this. Unless maybe Jewish people had a massive conversion drive and encouraged converts to join them... can't really see that working either though.
I think Israel is in a bit of a pickle to be honest. In a similar way South Korea is.

I mean that interpretation of Zionism is everywhere where you see Zionists being demonised.

Not that it is an accurate interpretation of Zionism.

I don’t know where you have seen this, but that’s not a version of Zionism I’ve seen anywhere

I've seen it everywhere that I've seen Zionism equated with Nazism, genocide-support, white supremacy, evil. If you understand that, as mrsrussel has been led to believe, Zionists want to ethnically cleanse Israel, then that makes sense.

It's being used in exactly the same way that 'TERF' has been used to demonise. TERFs are hateful bigot transphobes who deserve to die - even if they aren't.

And because Jews are such a tiny group, many people have not met )or knowingly met) someone Jewish, let alone an Orthodox Jew, so misinformation spreads.