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How have we come to a state where the police confront someone for being overtly Jewish?

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mids2019 · 20/04/2024 18:39

Just how?

I think at best this inept policing at worst vile anti semitism.

I suppose it is now in the open that central London has become effectively a no go area for Jews given the potential for abuse from hate marchers.

Can't we just stop these marches so Jews can go about their business?

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SharonEllis · 06/05/2024 20:46

PeasfullPerson · 06/05/2024 20:17

Beyond stopping the protests, or stopping the crimes being committed in Gaza, what else can be done to reduce antisemitism?

What can people who care do to help?

What are some realistically implemented actions that people can take?

Listen to Jews and stop connecting 'crimes' in Gaza with Jews, would be a start.

PeasfullPerson · 06/05/2024 20:17

Beyond stopping the protests, or stopping the crimes being committed in Gaza, what else can be done to reduce antisemitism?

What can people who care do to help?

What are some realistically implemented actions that people can take?

Mercurial123 · 06/05/2024 14:41

SharonEllis · 06/05/2024 14:33

My history is good, thanks. These posts are about celebrations of Hamas's recent Oct 7th attacks. It was not clear what the historic Zionist Miitias have to do with it - no need to explain. Lets keep to the subject of the thread.

It is linked the JC article talks about dehumanising Jews and the Nazi connection. The Zionist Militia was the start of destroying Palestine. I would disagree that your knowledge is good.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 06/05/2024 14:33

IcecreamWhatSandwich · 22/04/2024 23:24

My perception of what happened here was different. The guy in the video wasn't going about his business. He had come to the march intentionally in order to provoke some participant into committing some aggression against him. Maybe they would have, maybe they wouldn't. But the police were right to stop him from doing this. They were perfectly willing to help him get where he was going without walking across or into the demonstration.

Absolutely this. The policeman did not say anything malicious to the Jewish guy. Seemed like he was trying to protect him from himself and the baying mob.

SharonEllis · 06/05/2024 14:33

Mercurial123 · 06/05/2024 14:23

@SharonEllis the JC has been known for making false statements. As for the Zionist Militia, you need to brush up on your history. Simon Sebag Montefiore's book Jerusalem writes about it in a balanced way

My history is good, thanks. These posts are about celebrations of Hamas's recent Oct 7th attacks. It was not clear what the historic Zionist Miitias have to do with it - no need to explain. Lets keep to the subject of the thread.

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 06/05/2024 14:30

Mercurial123 · 06/05/2024 14:23

@SharonEllis the JC has been known for making false statements. As for the Zionist Militia, you need to brush up on your history. Simon Sebag Montefiore's book Jerusalem writes about it in a balanced way

Please provide evidence where the JC has made false statements?

Mercurial123 · 06/05/2024 14:23

@SharonEllis the JC has been known for making false statements. As for the Zionist Militia, you need to brush up on your history. Simon Sebag Montefiore's book Jerusalem writes about it in a balanced way

SharonEllis · 06/05/2024 14:07

namechangedforconfusion · 06/05/2024 13:55

I wave the Palestinian flag with pride and support. So I see nothing wrong with it.

If you're offending , I simply don't care.

Good to know.

namechangedforconfusion · 06/05/2024 14:03

quantumbutterfly · 06/05/2024 14:01

That's grand. I'm terribly proud of the union flag and am considering having a little flagpole, I'm sure everyone will take it in the spirit it's intended. Honi soit qui mal y pense & all that.

Go for it!

quantumbutterfly · 06/05/2024 14:01

namechangedforconfusion · 06/05/2024 13:55

I wave the Palestinian flag with pride and support. So I see nothing wrong with it.

If you're offending , I simply don't care.

That's grand. I'm terribly proud of the union flag and am considering having a little flagpole, I'm sure everyone will take it in the spirit it's intended. Honi soit qui mal y pense & all that.

namechangedforconfusion · 06/05/2024 13:55

SharonEllis · 06/05/2024 13:51

You agreed with @namechangedforconfusion so I was adressing you both.

I wave the Palestinian flag with pride and support. So I see nothing wrong with it.

If you're offending , I simply don't care.

Dulra · 06/05/2024 13:54

SharonEllis · 06/05/2024 13:51

You agreed with @namechangedforconfusion so I was adressing you both.

You need to quote them directly not through my post if you want them to see it

I was agreeing with her opinion of Rachel Riley being racist.

SharonEllis · 06/05/2024 13:51

Dulra · 06/05/2024 13:49

My post has nothing to do with anything you've commented on. Have you tagged me by mistake?

You agreed with @namechangedforconfusion so I was adressing you both.

Dulra · 06/05/2024 13:49

SharonEllis · 06/05/2024 13:37

The Palestinian flag is not necessarily, of itself pro-Hamas. But what other reading is there of people waving it in celebration in the aftermath of 7 October? Imagine hearing of the murder, mutiliation, rape & torture of human beings and your instinct is to celebrate. The denialism & obfuscation here is chilling. So much for wanting peace.

My post has nothing to do with anything you've commented on. Have you tagged me by mistake?

SharonEllis · 06/05/2024 13:37

Dulra · 06/05/2024 13:27

Agree. I have no time for people that call out hate against their own community but at the same time spread hate about another. I see a lot of it on these threads too. You either disagree with hate and division or you don't, you can't have it both ways.

The Palestinian flag is not necessarily, of itself pro-Hamas. But what other reading is there of people waving it in celebration in the aftermath of 7 October? Imagine hearing of the murder, mutiliation, rape & torture of human beings and your instinct is to celebrate. The denialism & obfuscation here is chilling. So much for wanting peace.

SharonEllis · 06/05/2024 13:33

Mercurial123 · 06/05/2024 12:29

The Jewish Chronicle an unbiased source (not). I would expect the Zionist Militia who expelled Palistineans from their homes would also be a consideration?

Are you suggesting the Jewish Chronicle is lying? Are you suggesting there is any justification for celebrating the horror of 7 October? I have not come across the Zionist Militia before - who are they?

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 06/05/2024 13:29

Mercurial123 · 06/05/2024 12:29

The Jewish Chronicle an unbiased source (not). I would expect the Zionist Militia who expelled Palistineans from their homes would also be a consideration?

I was waiting for this comment.

Yet Al Jazeera is often linked to on these threads.

Both creditable sources to those who consume their news and opinions from them.

A vast minority is "many" to me in the UK.

Dulra · 06/05/2024 13:27

namechangedforconfusion · 06/05/2024 12:46

Rachel Riley is a known racist and Islamophobe. I don't take anything she says with merit.

And the Palestinian flag is not antisemitic or a symbol for pro-Hamas. Get over yourselves and stop this censorship!

Agree. I have no time for people that call out hate against their own community but at the same time spread hate about another. I see a lot of it on these threads too. You either disagree with hate and division or you don't, you can't have it both ways.

SharonEllis · 06/05/2024 13:27

PeasfullPerson · 06/05/2024 11:04

Can you please provide examples of the many people who celebrated the 7th October in the UK.

The day after I was in central London - a man was cycling around with a Palestinian flag cheering & whistling. Some people cheered and honked cars in response. Utterly horrifying. There are lots of documented examples - I'm surprised you didn't read about them or see them online.

quantumbutterfly · 06/05/2024 12:47

How many would be too many?

Despite our expectations, not everything is on camera..yet. The examples that are easily found online are a small part of wider ill-feeling that I have seen and witnessed, ( like many others I expect) but tragically I forgot to photo and post my experiences.

Still, as many people like to tritely say 'data is not the plural of anecdote', though I would counter that by saying empirical evidence has value.

namechangedforconfusion · 06/05/2024 12:46

Rachel Riley is a known racist and Islamophobe. I don't take anything she says with merit.

And the Palestinian flag is not antisemitic or a symbol for pro-Hamas. Get over yourselves and stop this censorship!

PeasfullPerson · 06/05/2024 12:32

Thank you for providing these examples, it must be very scary to witness or hear about things like this. I can understand the fear.

However, I do think this shows a small minority of extremists celebrated and that it’s misleading to say many people in the UK did this.

It seems common that the unsavoury actions of a minority of people are used as evidence to suggest that they are representative of the majority.

Mercurial123 · 06/05/2024 12:29

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 06/05/2024 12:20

Another link for those who asked for evidence of the many people who celebrated the Hamas attacks in the UK. Give that Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation, I would suggest that evidence of one person is too "many" but that's just my opinion.

https://www.thejc.com/news/im-an-expert-on-islamism-but-even-i-was-shocked-at-how-october-7-was-celebrated-uz5lip00

The Jewish Chronicle an unbiased source (not). I would expect the Zionist Militia who expelled Palistineans from their homes would also be a consideration?