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Finallyloggedin · 28/06/2024 22:21

https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1806727118341963863?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“Zaitoun Neighborhood, Gaza city | Lingerie

An Israeli officer from the Carmeli Brigade displaying underwear of killed/displaced Palestinian women in the neighborhood. The picture is from this month”

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https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1806727118341963863?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

AhNowTed · 28/06/2024 05:05

Yes, it is genocide

In most cases of genocide, from Bosnia to Namibia, from Rwanda to Armenia, the perpetrators of the murder said they were acting in self-defence. The fact that what is happening in Gaza does not resemble the Holocaust, writes Holocaust scholar Amos Goldberg, does not mean that it is not genocide
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^Amos Goldberg* is a Holocaust and genocide researcher at the Hebrew University, whose book VeZcharta — And Thou Shalt Remember: Five Critical Readings in Israeli Holocaust Remembrance will be published by Resling in the coming weeks.

thepalestineproject.medium.com/yes-it-is-genocide-634a07ea27d4

PeasfullPerson · 27/06/2024 09:52

It’s too much, not your words @ScrollingLeaves or the sharing of videos.

What the Israeli government has done, it’s too much.

ScrollingLeaves · 27/06/2024 08:59

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Yesterday I saw a burned baby girl being removed from an incinerated tent, next to her two other charred tiny bodies. A day or so before that I saw someone picking up the pieces of a child, starting with their tiny head which they picked up and put in a blanket. I have seen some children who look like skeletons.

If I say I think this level of senseless revenge against a whole people - 9 months of it and still going - which is neither freeing hostages nor defeating Hamas - is abhorrent, is that anti-semitism?

Do you recognise any Islamophobia in what is happening to Palestinians in Israel?

ConnieCounter · 27/06/2024 07:49

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Who are you calling an antisemite?

Murica · 27/06/2024 02:03

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ConnieCounter · 26/06/2024 22:37

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8sXoH3t56a/?igsh=NDFld2lhN2NreWgy

The reality of forced displacement...and this has happened to some families more than 10 times. Imagine the terror. Imagine having small children or disabled or elderly family members. It's so inhumane.

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8sXoH3t56a?igsh=NDFld2lhN2NreWgy

Scirocco · 26/06/2024 13:26

How can anyone possibly defend the rape of women, men and children?

PeasfullPerson · 26/06/2024 10:58

@EasterIssland it’s grim, and there is no need for these people to be put in such vulnerable positions.

EasterIssland · 26/06/2024 10:28

UN Special Committee on Israeli practices in occupied territories concludes field mission

it was horrified by violations against Palestinians in Israeli custody and levels of impunity for Israeli soldiers engaged in dehumanising, cruel and humiliating behaviour towards Palestinians, including women and children.

Multiple stakeholders reported a stark increase in sexual harassment, sexual abuse, the threat of rape, and rape itself, including with foreign objects, against men, women, and even children

The occupation of Palestine, and the apartheid system of injustice that serves it, cannot continue if there is to ever be a lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians,” the Special Committee said.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/06/un-special-committee-israeli-practices-occupied-territories-concludes-field#:~:text=“The%20occupation%20of%20Palestine%2C%20and,General%20Assembly%20in%20October%202024.

BelleHathor · 25/06/2024 22:57

ScrollingLeaves · 25/06/2024 22:40

I saw that on the news and it included her telling of her ordeal.

She is a tiny, very old Palestinian woman.

She was told to get out of her house. She refused. She was asleep in her bed when they sent in the dog. The dog grabbed her and dragged her out of her bed, all through the house, and out the door. You can see her upper right arm is all bandaged. Imagine her terror.

It was barbaric.

How on earth does the news have the dog’s body cam I wonder?

I imagine the footage has been leaked by the IDF.
From the intelligence agents and former diplomats that speak on this, there is a growing divide between the military and political wings in Israel. There are units that are refusing to continue fighting due to fatigue, horror at what they've been ordered to do etc. This is the longest war that Israel has ever fought. Some soldiers have even moved their families away and will not return once released from duty. The deaths and casualties are also far higher than reported (haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-10/ty-article/.premium/idf-reports-1-593-wounded-since-october-7-but-hospital-data-is-much-higher/0000018c-552d-df4b-a78e-d52f47).

Netanyahu will sacrifice anyone to retain his power and some in the IDF are unhappy with this, hence Hagari's statement recently about not being able to defeat Hamas.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/06/2024 22:40

ConnieCounter · 25/06/2024 22:10

Absolutely barbaric. IDF set a dog on a sleeping Palestinian woman.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8pqJAGqrej/?igsh=N2lwN2FrbHJpN3p4

I saw that on the news and it included her telling of her ordeal.

She is a tiny, very old Palestinian woman.

She was told to get out of her house. She refused. She was asleep in her bed when they sent in the dog. The dog grabbed her and dragged her out of her bed, all through the house, and out the door. You can see her upper right arm is all bandaged. Imagine her terror.

It was barbaric.

How on earth does the news have the dog’s body cam I wonder?

anotherlevel · 25/06/2024 22:35

ConnieCounter · 25/06/2024 22:10

Absolutely barbaric. IDF set a dog on a sleeping Palestinian woman.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8pqJAGqrej/?igsh=N2lwN2FrbHJpN3p4

I was just coming on to post the same thing.

The most moral army everyone.

ConnieCounter · 25/06/2024 22:10

Absolutely barbaric. IDF set a dog on a sleeping Palestinian woman.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8pqJAGqrej/?igsh=N2lwN2FrbHJpN3p4

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8pqJAGqrej?igsh=N2lwN2FrbHJpN3p4

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Scirocco · 25/06/2024 07:45

ScrollingLeaves · 25/06/2024 01:19

To think that happened. It is from hell.

It's not even 8am and I already feel like that's enough internet for today.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/06/2024 01:19

BelleHathor · 24/06/2024 15:15

To think that happened. It is from hell.

BelleHathor · 24/06/2024 15:15

ScrollingLeaves · 24/06/2024 11:23

No, it doesn’t change that fact.

It would add an additional layer of complete depravity though if it is true.

Complete depravity that has been used as a torture method before under Pinochets rule in Chile. (Can't believe I'm typing that).
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/democraciaabierta/sale-of-venda-sexy-torture-centre-highlights-chiles-struggle-for-historical-memory-regarding-sexual-violence/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingrid_Olderock

Ingrid Olderock - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingrid_Olderock

anotherlevel · 24/06/2024 12:44

EasterIssland · 24/06/2024 12:40

Thanks @anotherlevel there is a thread about this incident so I’ll post it in there

Thanks @EasterIssland I wasn’t aware.

EasterIssland · 24/06/2024 12:40

anotherlevel · 24/06/2024 12:38

This is the testimony of the injured Palestinian man that was being used as a human shield by Israel.

www.instagram.com/reel/C8mIwR8I1Tb/?igsh=dWd3N3p0djJnc2M0

Thanks @anotherlevel there is a thread about this incident so I’ll post it in there

anotherlevel · 24/06/2024 12:38

This is the testimony of the injured Palestinian man that was being used as a human shield by Israel.

www.instagram.com/reel/C8mIwR8I1Tb/?igsh=dWd3N3p0djJnc2M0

BelleHathor · 24/06/2024 11:42

ScrollingLeaves · 24/06/2024 11:21

I meant to write ‘sugar-coaters’, a phrase the left wing man used about some Israelis.

He was truly brave, especially as speaking out can get you targeted.

There are Israelis who see the disaster that this current course of action will lead to and want to stop it not because they care about Palestinians, but because Israel has lost its international standing/reputation and they want it to return to the Status Quo pre October 7th.
These would be the sugar coaters, they will dangle the prospect of a 2 state solution and Palestinian rights whilst occupying the land and it's always sometime in the future. It allows them to lie to themselves that they're moral, not like those evil right wingers Netanyahu and Gvir.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/06/2024 11:23

ConnieCounter · 24/06/2024 10:43

I don't know.

We do know that they torture detainees including sexual torture so whether this latest allegation is true or not it doesn't change that they use torture against detainees, many of whom are innocent civilians.

No, it doesn’t change that fact.

It would add an additional layer of complete depravity though if it is true.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/06/2024 11:21

I meant to write ‘sugar-coaters’, a phrase the left wing man used about some Israelis.