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DomPom47 · 16/05/2024 21:07

Those interested in the case today m.youtube.com/watch?v=vwGt98yVQw0 Lawyer Tembeka Ngcukaitobi’smain point: Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich opened said aim of the Rafah invasion was “total annihilation.” The reason why this supports the already strong claim of genocide is that the Palestinians need a place to rebuild and as the Israeli government is so hell bent on destroying all Palestinian land (not the ones they have stolen and settled on of course!) a future and a people is looking less and less likely.

Lawyer Blinne Ni Ghralaigh main point:infrastructure is destroyed and there are mass graves, carry on with Rafah plans and the same actions will be repeated.
She said that the IDF deems evacuated areas as “extermination zones,” where soldiers are ordered to kill any remaining people.

Israel will present its side tomorrow.

Regardless of the judgement Israel will carry on with its actions. So not sure why they are even there to present an argument. Even if the court says this is a genocide Israel will carry on. The USA and the UK will say something along the lines of “yeah but …..no but…..” and enable Israel’s actions.

DomPom47 · 16/05/2024 21:02

Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 20:11

So can you please indicate where this was shown at the ICJ hearing today

I have watched the whole recording but have not seen any such submissions.

I am not on Twitter so not sure if this is the video mentioned but from 1hr43mins into the hearing this video is shared where the IDF are enthused about their peaceful diplomatic mission in Rafah
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vwGt98yVQw0

Watch in full: South Africa asks ICJ to order Israel to halt Rafah offensive

South Africa asked the International Court of Justice (ICJ) on Thursday to order Israel to halt its Rafah offensive, and argued that the assault posed a risk...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vwGt98yVQw0

BelleHathor · 16/05/2024 20:57

Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 20:11

So can you please indicate where this was shown at the ICJ hearing today

I have watched the whole recording but have not seen any such submissions.

I didn't say that this particular video was presented today at the ICJ, so I don't know where you got that from?
The SA did present other videos.

I do know some OSINT accounts that check these type of videos, Telegram is full of them as you are allowed to publish them uncensored. There are groups focused on doing that, with video uploaded by soldiers and video recovered from soldiers.

Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 20:50

From Al-Monitor 16th May 2024

The ICJ accepted South Africa’s first demand for an inquiry in January and is currently investigating Israel’s military conduct in Gaza. The investigation could take several more months. Responding to the second demand, the court issued provisional measures ordering Israel to uphold the Genocide Convention and to investigate cases of alleged incitement of genocide against Palestinians. Still, the court declined South Africa’s request to order Israel to stop its military operation immediately.
Responding to South Africa's second, similar request for provisional measures last March, the court again called on Israel to respect the convention, but declined to order Israel to stop its military operation.

Efacsen · 16/05/2024 20:49

You'll be waiting a long time then

Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 20:43

Efacsen · 16/05/2024 20:35

What about thank you for doing that for me?

I will when you have fully responded to what I asked?

You still haven't shown where the lawyer plays the clip to the court. He is quoting from the clip but as far as I can see isn't showing it to anyone

And what has this got to do with the previous clip of someone getting shot/killed? When was that shown to the court?

You keep quoting 'evidence' but can't seem to clarify it.

You make allegations but can't seem to back them up.

Efacsen · 16/05/2024 20:35

Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 20:33

OK, so what does it prove?

What about thank you for doing that for me?

Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 20:33

Efacsen · 16/05/2024 20:30

OK, so what does it prove?

Efacsen · 16/05/2024 20:30

Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 20:24

I can;t see it as I don't have a twitter a/c.

So which SA lawyer introduced it as evidence, and at what stage of the proceedings?

I'll try to post it for you

https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1791132267667919140

https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1791132267667919140

Efacsen · 16/05/2024 20:24

Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 20:21

If it is IDF bodycam footage how is it in the hands of civilians?

And when was this submitted to the court?

I watched the whole hearing and saw no such evidence presented.

Did you not read what @BelleHathor said before you questioned her post?

Also footage can be obtained from searching dead soldiers and downed IDF drones

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Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 20:24

Efacsen · 16/05/2024 20:21

Look at tweets further down the reporters twitter account

He's obviously proud his material has been used as evidence at ICJ

I can;t see it as I don't have a twitter a/c.

So which SA lawyer introduced it as evidence, and at what stage of the proceedings?

Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 20:21

Efacsen · 16/05/2024 20:18

It's IDF bodycam footage - don't think there are any IDF foot soldiers in Syria Afghanistan or Iraq?

It's been proven to be in Gaza and can more than likely be pin-pointed exactly where in the territory

If it is IDF bodycam footage how is it in the hands of civilians?

And when was this submitted to the court?

I watched the whole hearing and saw no such evidence presented.

Efacsen · 16/05/2024 20:21

Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 20:15

So where can this be seen?

And where in the hearing was was such material introduced?

I did not see any recordings introduced as evidence by SA

Look at tweets further down the reporters twitter account

He's obviously proud his material has been used as evidence at ICJ

Efacsen · 16/05/2024 20:18

It's IDF bodycam footage - don't think there are any IDF foot soldiers in Syria Afghanistan or Iraq?

It's been proven to be in Gaza and can more than likely be pin-pointed exactly where in the territory

Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 20:15

Efacsen · 16/05/2024 19:22

Images are from IDF drone footage and IDF soldier bodycams which will be time and date stamped and can be geo-located

None of the men appear armed - not carrying automatic weapons or any larger weaponry

So where can this be seen?

And where in the hearing was was such material introduced?

I did not see any recordings introduced as evidence by SA

PeasfullPerson · 16/05/2024 20:12

I didn’t realise the hearing was going to last two days.

Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 20:11

BelleHathor · 16/05/2024 19:20

Yes, in the hearing today at the ICJ South Africa presented videos uploaded by IDF soldiers to their Social Media where the soldiers filmed themselves committing acts that could show genocidal intent/actions.

There are Telegram groups who are monitoring Social Media for similar videos, verifying them and then archiving content.

So can you please indicate where this was shown at the ICJ hearing today

I have watched the whole recording but have not seen any such submissions.

Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 20:09

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Efacsen · 16/05/2024 20:00

Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 19:55

I agree, that this footage could have been taken anywhere in any war zone, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq as it is unverified.

Distasteful as it is, it doesn't prove anything.

Tripe indeed

See above for proven verification and evidentiary value

Tripeandonions · 16/05/2024 19:55

I agree, that this footage could have been taken anywhere in any war zone, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq as it is unverified.

Distasteful as it is, it doesn't prove anything.

Efacsen · 16/05/2024 19:22

Efacsen · 16/05/2024 18:48

It appears to be a legitimate account - this reporters work has been used as evidence by SA legal team at the ICJ

Images are from IDF drone footage and IDF soldier bodycams which will be time and date stamped and can be geo-located

None of the men appear armed - not carrying automatic weapons or any larger weaponry

BelleHathor · 16/05/2024 19:20

Yes, in the hearing today at the ICJ South Africa presented videos uploaded by IDF soldiers to their Social Media where the soldiers filmed themselves committing acts that could show genocidal intent/actions.

There are Telegram groups who are monitoring Social Media for similar videos, verifying them and then archiving content.

Efacsen · 16/05/2024 18:48

It appears to be a legitimate account - this reporters work has been used as evidence by SA legal team at the ICJ

Factsareimportantplease · 16/05/2024 18:29

EasterIssland · 16/05/2024 11:54

From the tweet

Gaza city | Warning ( )

Extremely shocking footage showing the execution of unarmed civilians by Israeli forces. I obtained the scenes from a social media account of an Israeli soldier from the paratroopers brigade.

https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1790893499115606334

No idea who that is, whether armed or not, could be anywhere or any date and anyone. The trouble with randem tweets from x there is no checking anything. So many tweeted and share that don't really establish anything 🤔

People are dying and random videos which are impossible to make out are a bit pointless really.

DomPom47 · 16/05/2024 17:48

Let’s not be surprised if Gallant ends up with a mysterious illness and dies or is openly assassinated for going against the views of this fascist evil Israeli government
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7B_bLeOxVz/?igsh=MW1ra3ZtY3IzbzcxbQ==

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