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Dulra · 10/06/2024 12:24

I am going to be a bit pedantic on the headline, because language matters. "committing suicide" is not widely used anymore because it goes back to a time when suicide was considered a sin or a crime. It is better to say "died by suicide". In saying all that maybe the wording in the headline was intentional because it is demonstrating how the IDF view that poor soldiers death i.e. as a crime/sin. Shame on them

ScrollingLeaves · 10/06/2024 12:15

Monstrous behaviour on the part of the I.D.F. They also sent the surveillance young women soldiers ( whose warnings they had ignored), who had survived massacre or capture Oct 7, back to the same posts regardless of their state of trauma.

ScrollingLeaves · 10/06/2024 12:08

Perhaps those with military interests who come on these threads, some saying ‘War is war’, might be interested in the views of a real Israeli military expert, Brigadier General Yitzhak Brik, who predicted Israel was not prepared for a possible attack - who
thinks Israel’s current military trajectory is disastrous.

Leaving aside concern for Palestinian civilians, anyone concerned for Israelis themselves might like to see how this war, the course of which has destroyed Gaza and so many Palestinian lives, is harmful for Israel too.

This article Brigadier Yotzhak Brik has written June 7 in The Jerusalem Post is well worth reading.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-804332
This is the headline:

The Gaza war cabinet denies responsibility and leads the State of Israel into the abyss. Israel must dismantle the war cabinet before it destroys the country.

Here are some excerpts (it would be too long to paste the whole article).

Unfortunately, the failure brought upon the people of Israel and their continued fight without consideration or rational thought is leading to the eventual collapse of the country. They must be stopped. They are leading the people of Israel like sheep to the slaughter. The country's salvation is not their priority but rather the salvation of themselves and their survival in power

Recently, the IDF entered Rafah, and everything I predicted is now happening. We are losing control of the world's nations in a way we have never known, including our relations with Egypt. We may end up severing ties with them and also facing the Egyptian army as our enemies. The entire nation needs to stop the destruction and immediately distance themselves from these warmongers who are leading us astray

The army needs to be immediately restored and prepared to deal with future regional warfare, including one that escalates in intensity by thousands compared to the conflict in Gaza, posing a real threat to the existence of the State of Israel. A ceasefire will enable the recovery of Israel's struggling economy, international relations, and societal hardships, as well as the release of captives by mutual agreement.

Why is all this not happening now? The war cabinet has completely lost its judgment, leading us into the abyss. The Israeli people need to come together to stop them before it's too late. I am convinced that if this group continues to manage the war, in some time, all citizens will realize the magnitude of the country's crisis in all areas, but by then, it will already be too late.

and,

Why is all this not happening now? The war cabinet has completely lost its judgment, leading us into the abyss. The Israeli people need to come together to stop them before it's too late. I am convinced that if this group continues to manage the war, in some time, all citizens will realize the magnitude of the country's crisis in all areas, but by then, it will already be too late.

and,

The only solution left in the situation we have reached due to the sinful recklessness of the state and military cabinet members is for Israel to declare a ceasefire, immediately restore the army, economy, international relations, and social resilience, and reach an agreement to release our captives imprisoned in the darkness and shadow of death in Hamas tunnels.

The current war cabinet is leading the people of Israel into the abyss - opinion

The Gaza war cabinet denies responsibility and leads the State of Israel into the abyss. Israel must dismantle the war cabinet before it destroys the country.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-804332

Dulra · 10/06/2024 08:10

Unspeakable suffering, the cruelty goes on, their lives are worth nothing to some

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 10/06/2024 04:15

A pregnant woman died during the recent attack on the refugee camp. An emergency c-section was performed to save the unborn child, but unfortunately she also died.

https://x.com/EngHafez89/status/1799921589716423031

Dulra · 08/06/2024 18:21

I have been working all day, just catching up now. I think it is tone deaf to celebrate the rescue of 4 innocent lives knowing so many other innocent people lost their lives in the operation. Of course be relieved that 4 lives have been saved but spare a thought for those that died. It is rubbing salt in very deep wounds that have seen unimaginable horror, death and destruction. There are no winners today when the suffering continues for so many.

Biden is a disgrace and a liar

BelleHathor · 08/06/2024 18:14

Scirocco · 08/06/2024 17:45

If the US is on the ground, the UK will almost certainly be there too. Our taxes fund the murder of innocents yet again.

The UK and French. The UK RAF provides targeting information due to Hezbollah taking out a lot of the IDFs monitoring infrastructure (they've been degrading military sites used for spying since October).

Scirocco · 08/06/2024 17:45

If the US is on the ground, the UK will almost certainly be there too. Our taxes fund the murder of innocents yet again.

PeasfullPerson · 08/06/2024 17:39

I believe there is always a price to pay @Scirocco and that theirs will come one day, in some form.

BelleHathor · 08/06/2024 17:21

Here is a tweet by an Axios reported who confirms that a US official told him that the American Hostage team aided in the rescue.
https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1799422690354454810 . People I'm listenening to in the region also said that it was confirmed on Isaeli TV that the American's assisted.
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/25343

x.com

https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1799422690354454810

Auvergne63 · 08/06/2024 17:12

Scirocco · 08/06/2024 17:10

A fucking AID TRUCK....

These people behind this are hypocrites of the highest order.

In this life, they will receive medals. I hope they enjoy them, because at some point they will have to account for their actions.

Has this been verified? If it has, well I have no words.

Scirocco · 08/06/2024 17:10

EasterIssland · 08/06/2024 16:49

More info about this and the US troops

What happened in Al-Nuseirat?

  • An American force used an aid truck. The aid truck came from the American pier to Al-Nuseirat camp... (video and photo of truck)
  • A clash erupted with the American force once it was discovered.
  • Airstrikes were conducted on the Al-Nuseirat market, which was full of civilians, to create a path for the “rescue vehicle.”

This resulted in the massacre of over 150 civilians who were at the market.

  • The force headed back to where it came from, the American pier, while the warplanes bombed everything in its path.

https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1799447429206708244

https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1799454509070180472

Edited

A fucking AID TRUCK....

These people behind this are hypocrites of the highest order.

In this life, they will receive medals. I hope they enjoy them, because at some point they will have to account for their actions.

ConnieCounter · 08/06/2024 17:07

That is absolutely fucking outrageous. My blood is boiling.

BelleHathor · 08/06/2024 16:54

EasterIssland · 08/06/2024 16:49

More info about this and the US troops

What happened in Al-Nuseirat?

  • An American force used an aid truck. The aid truck came from the American pier to Al-Nuseirat camp... (video and photo of truck)
  • A clash erupted with the American force once it was discovered.
  • Airstrikes were conducted on the Al-Nuseirat market, which was full of civilians, to create a path for the “rescue vehicle.”

This resulted in the massacre of over 150 civilians who were at the market.

  • The force headed back to where it came from, the American pier, while the warplanes bombed everything in its path.

https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1799447429206708244

https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1799454509070180472

Edited

Was just coming to post this, too. Generals from the region had been saying for weeks that American troops were on the ground, this seems to confirm it. I guess it makes the pier a legitimate target now as 250 people were killed.

EasterIssland · 08/06/2024 16:49

EasterIssland · 08/06/2024 16:18

Also reading that the port that the us have built for providing aid and that has been broken for a long time and barely no aid has Gone through is the one that the hostages have been evacuated from

More info about this and the US troops

What happened in Al-Nuseirat?

  • An American force used an aid truck. The aid truck came from the American pier to Al-Nuseirat camp... (video and photo of truck)
  • A clash erupted with the American force once it was discovered.
  • Airstrikes were conducted on the Al-Nuseirat market, which was full of civilians, to create a path for the “rescue vehicle.”

This resulted in the massacre of over 150 civilians who were at the market.

  • The force headed back to where it came from, the American pier, while the warplanes bombed everything in its path.

https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1799447429206708244

https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1799454509070180472

x.com

https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1799447429206708244

ConnieCounter · 08/06/2024 16:24

PearlKoala · 08/06/2024 16:17

Yup, it's fantastic that 4 innocent people get to go home but by the sounds of it many innocent people will never get to go home after this 'rescue' mission. It doesn't feel right to celebrate in these circumstances, the children killed are just as innocent and important as the hostages but they are not even deemed worthy of a mention in some news articles and certainly not by those loudly celebrating. This could have and should have been done via negotiation not the blood of the innocent.

There's no mention of what appears to be a huge number of dead Palestinians on the thread celebrating the release of the 4 hostages.

EasterIssland · 08/06/2024 16:18

Also reading that the port that the us have built for providing aid and that has been broken for a long time and barely no aid has Gone through is the one that the hostages have been evacuated from

PearlKoala · 08/06/2024 16:17

EasterIssland · 08/06/2024 16:12

Exactly my thoughts. We could all be celebrating the release of the hostages (this 4 + those still captured) long time ago and at the same time knowing no Palestinians had been killed in this release if Israel had agreed to the multiple ceasefire options there has been in the past.

Congrats Biden. Good job

Yup, it's fantastic that 4 innocent people get to go home but by the sounds of it many innocent people will never get to go home after this 'rescue' mission. It doesn't feel right to celebrate in these circumstances, the children killed are just as innocent and important as the hostages but they are not even deemed worthy of a mention in some news articles and certainly not by those loudly celebrating. This could have and should have been done via negotiation not the blood of the innocent.

Efacsen · 08/06/2024 16:15

IIRC something similar happened when 2 hostages were rescued from Rafah sometime ago ?100 casualties as a 'distraction' whilst the rescue was in progress

EasterIssland · 08/06/2024 16:12

Exactly my thoughts. We could all be celebrating the release of the hostages (this 4 + those still captured) long time ago and at the same time knowing no Palestinians had been killed in this release if Israel had agreed to the multiple ceasefire options there has been in the past.

Congrats Biden. Good job

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