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PeasfullPerson · 15/06/2024 20:33

I’d like to spare a thought for any IDF soldiers who don’t really want to be soldiers at all, and are being forced to risk their lives for something they don’t believe in. They and their families are also victims of the Israeli government.

The following excerpts are from the article below which discusses the eight soldiers that were killed today. My comments are not related to the soldiers that were killed today, I have no idea what their beliefs were or of the way they conducted themselves in Gaza. But, I do have empathy for any soldier who doesn’t want to be one, and who may be acting with integrity while in horrendous circumstances. I pray they exist!

What happens in the IDF, if you say
you don’t want to do this anymore?

‘In May, the parents of more than 900 Israeli soldiers deployed in Gaza signed a letter urging the military to call off its ongoing offensive in Rafah, calling it a “deadly trap” for their children.’

And, after a vote in favour of extending exemptions for religious men, families of soldiers wrote a second letter to Netanyahu.

’That prompted a second open letter last week from families of combat soldiers addressed to Gallant and Halevi. In the letter the families said they were asking their “fighting children” to “stop the fighting right now, put down their weapons and return home immediately,” adding: “We will not sacrifice our children on the altar of public corruption.”’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/15/israeli-soldiers-killed-in-southern-gaza-military-says

Eight Israeli soldiers killed in southern Gaza, military says

Deaths could fuel calls for ceasefire and heighten Israeli public anger over military exemptions for ultra-Orthodox

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/15/israeli-soldiers-killed-in-southern-gaza-military-says

Finallyloggedin · 15/06/2024 18:58

https://x.com/qudsnen/status/1801892591773860064?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

”Three-year-old Amjad Al-Qanou from Jabalia, northern Gaza, is suffering from severe malnutrition, weighing only 5 kg. This is due to the shortage of food supplies amid the ongoing Israeli blockade and genocide.”

x.com

https://x.com/qudsnen/status/1801892591773860064?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Finallyloggedin · 15/06/2024 18:23

https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1801966059886399640?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“”Why isn’t the light working”

Destroying and torching homes in Gaza, then mocking the lack of electricity, is a persistent and disgusting trend by Israeli forces, even after months of bloodshed and destruction.”

x.com

https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1801966059886399640?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Finallyloggedin · 14/06/2024 18:34

https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1801560741138350491?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

“Mom, I think I freed Palestine”

American soldier joining in on the genocide (I presume volunteering with the idf rather than as US army)

x.com

https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1801560741138350491?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

PeasfullPerson · 14/06/2024 17:04

US imposes sanctions on extremist group which some say has links to Ben-Gvir. This is getting interesting.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-impose-sanctions-israeli-group-that-attacked-gaza-aid-2024-06-14/

PeasfullPerson · 14/06/2024 08:11

Another one for here, this study by The Lancet Group suggests there is no evidence for an inflated death count in Gaza

‘Although valid mortality counts are important, the situation in Gaza is severe, with high levels of civilian harm and extremely restricted access to aid. Efforts to dispute mortality reporting should not distract from the humanitarian imperative to save civilian lives by ensuring appropriate medical supplies, food, water, and fuel are provided immediately.’

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02713-7/fulltext

PeasfullPerson · 13/06/2024 22:10

‘National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir has sought to repeatedly interfere in operational police matters in recent months, a letter by outgoing Police Commissioner Kobi Shabtai to Attorney General Gali Baharav Miara reveals.

According to the letter from May 27, Ben Gvir told senior police officials behind Shabtai’s back that he did not want police providing protection for humanitarian aid convoys crossing through Israel from attack by Israeli extremists.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/police-chief-to-a-g-ben-gvir-sought-to-interfere-in-policing-stop-protection-of-gaza-aid-convoys/

ScrollingLeaves · 13/06/2024 20:24

Good news reported by Haaretz ( Israeli newspaper):

ISRAEL: Eliran Mizrahi, the reservist who was diagnosed with PTSD and killed himself after receiving an emergency call-up order to serve, was laid to rest in a military funeral after the IDF revoked its initial decision and decided to acknowledge him as a fallen soldier.

ScrollingLeaves · 13/06/2024 19:45

anotherlevel · Today 16:37
I didn't want to open another thread but what are people's thoughts on this?

www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240611-israel-to-hold-35m-from-palestinian-money/

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/smotrich-says-he-transferred-35-million-in-pa-funds-to-terror-victims/

Re withheld Palestinian money:
In a statement, Smotrich said that the withheld money would be transferred to Israeli families whose members were killed in Palestinian attacks.

My thought on this is that in that case Israel should also transfer Israeli money to families whose members were killed in Israeli strikes and they should not need to use it to rebuild houses. Think of all the orphans. Families in the West bank will also be owed money for killed family members.

anotherlevel · 13/06/2024 19:27

@EasterIssland I agree. It is stealing. If ever there is a permanent ceasefire, I do hope Israel will pay to rebuild Gaza and not take it for themselves.

PeasfullPerson · 13/06/2024 17:19

From X

Consulate General of Belgium in Jerusalem
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Together with representatives from the EU, Germany, Ireland, and UK, we met today with Lawyers4Justice to hear about their important work on human rights related issues. (1/2)

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FollowWe are increasingly concerned about the challenges and pressure Palestinian human rights defenders are facing from various sides. We remain committed in our support for human rights defenders. (2/2)
3:36 PM · Jun 13, 2024

EasterIssland · 13/06/2024 16:47

anotherlevel · 13/06/2024 16:37

That it’s stealing. Perfect giving the money to those affected from 7-10 but give it from your money and not from
otuer peoples

PearlKoala · 13/06/2024 12:16

LegionOfCats · 13/06/2024 11:07

Why have you copy and pasted a post from another user @Humdingerydoo who posted on a different thread regarding the rape of Israeli hostages? It comes across as mockery. Very distasteful.

Not at all. I thought she made a great point, we should all condemn what happened on Oct 7 and to the hostages and we should all equally condemn what has happened to Palestinians since and those who don't should take a look at themselves 👍

LegionOfCats · 13/06/2024 11:07

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Why have you copy and pasted a post from another user @Humdingerydoo who posted on a different thread regarding the rape of Israeli hostages? It comes across as mockery. Very distasteful.

PearlKoala · 13/06/2024 10:44

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anotherlevel · 13/06/2024 10:02

ConnieCounter · 13/06/2024 09:45

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8JcVFqAm_B/?igsh=ajI3d3MxYnluMG42

"Enforced desperation", a woman sleeping on the street with her kids begging for a tent and a doctor asking how much more evidence does the world need?

That's a question for the pro Israelis to answer

ConnieCounter · 13/06/2024 09:45

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8JcVFqAm_B/?igsh=ajI3d3MxYnluMG42

"Enforced desperation", a woman sleeping on the street with her kids begging for a tent and a doctor asking how much more evidence does the world need?

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8JcVFqAm_B?igsh=ajI3d3MxYnluMG42

anotherlevel · 13/06/2024 07:47

ConnieCounter · 12/06/2024 23:39

https://www.instagram.com/p/C8IHaeHAKny/?igsh=MWtrMmU3aTQ3aWkzMQ==

Dreadful. Deplorable.

Edit: it's text so no horrible pictures but contains distressing information.

Edited

And they say they're allowing humanitarian aid in.

What an abomination.

ConnieCounter · 12/06/2024 23:39

https://www.instagram.com/p/C8IHaeHAKny/?igsh=MWtrMmU3aTQ3aWkzMQ==

Dreadful. Deplorable.

Edit: it's text so no horrible pictures but contains distressing information.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/C8IHaeHAKny?igsh=MWtrMmU3aTQ3aWkzMQ%3D%3D

TheABC · 10/06/2024 15:11

I wondered if the vulnerable sick would be allowed out for treatment - that article answers my question. :-(
I suspect Fidaa will not be counted in the war statistics, any more than the people who need kidney dialysis, heart treatment or diabetic therapy.

Has anyone confirmed if the USA does have boots on the ground and that they actually used an aid truck in the latest disaster?*

*An operation implies there was planning to avoid casualties.

PeasfullPerson · 10/06/2024 14:53

Thanks for these @ScrollingLeaves

ScrollingLeaves · 10/06/2024 12:27

Re the soldier’s tragic suicide:

This is an article by the American Jewish journalist, Dan Cohen, saying that the Israeli army is in a precarious state.

Eight months into the Gaza war, a depleted Israeli military is on the brink of “collapse”
As the Israeli army faces severe personnel shortages, fatigue and desertion, and the political leadership focus on their survival, a top Israeli general predicts the end of Israel is near.

First two paragraphs:

On October 9, two days after the surprise Hamas military assault on Israeli bases and settlements surrounding Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pledged to defeat Hamas.

However, eight months later, Israel has failed to achieve its stated goal. Instead, it is facing unprecedented international isolation, political instability, charges of genocide at the top world court, and arrest warrants for its leadership. With no end in sight as Netanyahu rejects ceasefire proposals, the Israeli military is now facing its most dire challenge yet: Personnel shortages, fatigue and desertion.

https://www.uncaptured.media/p/eight-months-into-the-gaza-war-a

Eight months into the Gaza war, a depleted Israeli military is on the brink of “collapse”

As the Israeli army faces severe personnel shortages, fatigue and desertion, and the political leadership focus on their survival, a top Israeli general predicts the end of Israel is near.

https://www.uncaptured.media/p/eight-months-into-the-gaza-war-a