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ScrollingLeaves · 16/07/2024 13:38

anotherlevel · 08/07/2024 00:20

Haaretz ( Israeli news) today.

^Fighting in Gaza, IDF Tank Officer Who Shelled Kibbutz House on Oct. 7 Says 'I Had No Choice'*

On October 7, Col. Nissim Hazan took control of a damaged tank and drove it to Kibbutz Be'eri where, for two whole days, he battled Hamas terrorists. It was there that he fired a shell at the home of Pessi Cohen. He tells Haaretz that he did not know there were hostages inside. 'We needed to shake things up that day,' he says.

In this particular case he says he did not know hostages were inside. ( Though I don’t know how he could he have thought there definitely were not Israelis inside.)

ScrollingLeaves · 13/07/2024 08:53

Seen on the Al Jazeera English news this morning.

In the West Bank the Israelis control the Palestinians’ water and divert it for the illegal settlements. Every year they reduce it more. Ancient ponds and springs are now dry or barely running.. The Israeli settlers have taken six times as much water as the Palestinians have to use. This last year alone the Palestinians’ water was reduced again by a third by Israel.

It is very difficult for the Palestinians to water their crops.

BelleHathor · 10/07/2024 23:47

ScrollingLeaves · 10/07/2024 21:54

From Haaretz
Defense Minister Gallant told a Knesset panel that the IDF has "killed or wounded 60 percent" of Hamas' forces in Gaza, and "dismantled 25 battalions or the vast majority of them."

That is a rate of 6.6 % a month. So killing or wounding the remaining 40% could mean the IDF finishing their task in another 6 months. Another 25,000 Palestinians to be killed, mostly civilians, if the usual rate continues. That is if they are correct about 60% of Hamas dead or wounded so far.

According to IDF soldiers speaking of their experiences in a +972 report, they tend to say every male they kill is a Hamas terrorist. In one instance two separate IDF groups each individually chalked up the same Hamas kills. Over-counting deaths as Hamas deaths may be the reason why so many Hamas are apparently still fighting even after nine months of being bombed, and shot, and 38,000 thousand
bodies mounting up.

The numbers are completely fudged by the IDF, just like when the IDF reported that they'd cleared the north of Gaza, only to leave and a couple of days later for Hamas to begin firing rockets again, rinse and repeat for other areas too.

What Gallant can't account for are the new recruits to Hamas, according to some reports on the ground, Hamas has a lot of new recruits, mainly people who have lost everything.
I think similar to the true number of IDF casualties, the figures will be wildly different when analysed in the future.

ScrollingLeaves · 10/07/2024 23:27

EasterIssland · 10/07/2024 22:39

It’s a website. I believe the report the other poster is talking about is the one I posted as a thread “im bored so I shot” tho it might be a different one. They’ve reported several times IDFs actions

Yes, it was @EasterIssland and thank you for posting it. Would you re-post it here for Peasfull to read? I also mentioned it in relation to the harm caused by this war to IDF soldiers themselves in another thread.

EasterIssland · 10/07/2024 22:39

PeasfullPerson · 10/07/2024 22:28

@ScrollingLeaves That’s really interesting, the disparity between the numbers they identified as ‘terrorists’, the numbers they claim to have killed, and the number they believe to be left, could be illuminating.

The disparity could be due to, as you say, and which wouldn’t be surprising given everything that’s been said and reported, an over estimate in the number of Hamas killed. It could also be due to an underestimate based on poor intelligence, which would be better, but still bad.

What’s a +972 report?

It’s a website. I believe the report the other poster is talking about is the one I posted as a thread “im bored so I shot” tho it might be a different one. They’ve reported several times IDFs actions

PeasfullPerson · 10/07/2024 22:28

@ScrollingLeaves That’s really interesting, the disparity between the numbers they identified as ‘terrorists’, the numbers they claim to have killed, and the number they believe to be left, could be illuminating.

The disparity could be due to, as you say, and which wouldn’t be surprising given everything that’s been said and reported, an over estimate in the number of Hamas killed. It could also be due to an underestimate based on poor intelligence, which would be better, but still bad.

What’s a +972 report?

ScrollingLeaves · 10/07/2024 21:54

From Haaretz
Defense Minister Gallant told a Knesset panel that the IDF has "killed or wounded 60 percent" of Hamas' forces in Gaza, and "dismantled 25 battalions or the vast majority of them."

That is a rate of 6.6 % a month. So killing or wounding the remaining 40% could mean the IDF finishing their task in another 6 months. Another 25,000 Palestinians to be killed, mostly civilians, if the usual rate continues. That is if they are correct about 60% of Hamas dead or wounded so far.

According to IDF soldiers speaking of their experiences in a +972 report, they tend to say every male they kill is a Hamas terrorist. In one instance two separate IDF groups each individually chalked up the same Hamas kills. Over-counting deaths as Hamas deaths may be the reason why so many Hamas are apparently still fighting even after nine months of being bombed, and shot, and 38,000 thousand
bodies mounting up.

Factsareimportantplease · 10/07/2024 08:17

No but you brought in the suggestion ". In my house we don’t care much :) but I’m quite glad most of the goals are by footballers the far right hates.".

You then shared a story about a small group of Germans who wanted more white people in their team. The message is there intertwined why do that? What point apart from division? Isn't there enough of that already. Its all implications and comments. The German football team described it as a shitty survey. It's implications in general comments, then stories of a very small number, etc etc etc.

EasterIssland · 10/07/2024 08:07

Factsareimportantplease · 10/07/2024 08:00

Just read the article. "television last Wednesday, has been roundly criticised for its inclusion of a poll in which 1,304 respondents were asked whether they agreed with the statement: “I would prefer it if more white players played in the German national team again.” (To which 21% agreed, 65% disagreed.)
It was, according to Germany’s coach, Julian Nagelsmann, a “shitty survey”. The vice-captain, Joshua Kimmich, described it as racist."

Some people are racist, some are fascist, some support terrorists, this assuming because 21% of a group of 1304 respondents to a survey are, means lots are, is another divisive story. So many attempts to divide society. Its a bit sad. Clearly most Germans aren't far right. Constant negative stereotyping does no-one any good.

Edited

Nowhere did I say that most Germans were far right.

Factsareimportantplease · 10/07/2024 08:00

Just read the article. "television last Wednesday, has been roundly criticised for its inclusion of a poll in which 1,304 respondents were asked whether they agreed with the statement: “I would prefer it if more white players played in the German national team again.” (To which 21% agreed, 65% disagreed.)
It was, according to Germany’s coach, Julian Nagelsmann, a “shitty survey”. The vice-captain, Joshua Kimmich, described it as racist."

Some people are racist, some are fascist, some support terrorists, this assuming because 21% of a group of 1304 respondents to a survey are, means lots are, is another divisive story. So many attempts to divide society. Its a bit sad. Clearly most Germans aren't far right. Constant negative stereotyping does no-one any good.

EasterIssland · 10/07/2024 07:42

Factsareimportantplease · 10/07/2024 07:38

I'm seeing ads for nicotine replacements and I don't smoke and have never goggled them. I don't consider it sinister.

I also notice how much stereotyping and assuming and making things up that some do. Why would far right hate Spanish footballers. Strange.

Edited

It’s the fact that the Israeli government is paying for propaganda abroad with many of their lies what annoys me. I can’t remember any government targeting me with their ads post a terrorist attack

I know why would far right hate their footballers. Yet you find them not liking some of the ones playing for Spain or England. seems to be a problem with far right in many countries. Strange
amp.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/11/rise-of-the-far-right-a-permanent-cloud-germany-euro-2024-horizon

Factsareimportantplease · 10/07/2024 07:38

I'm seeing ads for nicotine replacements and I don't smoke and have never goggled them. I don't consider it sinister.

I also notice how much stereotyping and assuming and making things up that some do. Why would far right hate Spanish footballers. Strange.

BelleHathor · 09/07/2024 21:16

anotherlevel · 09/07/2024 20:32

@BelleHathor that's just not on, not every child can't read. There are plenty that can! Can the ads be reported?

It happened early on after October 7th. Parents who noticed it rightly kicked up a storm on social media, I haven't heard of any ads targeting kids since then so hopefully YouTube removed them, though it wasn't the only targeting of Children in the immediate aftermath, which points to it being a rogue 3rd party company:
https://metro.co.uk/2023/10/30/children-exposed-to-graphic-pro-israel-adverts-in-popular-video-games-19742295/

Kids ‘shaken’ after disturbing footage pops up in video game

A terrifying message appears in all capitals.

https://metro.co.uk/2023/10/30/children-exposed-to-graphic-pro-israel-adverts-in-popular-video-games-19742295

EasterIssland · 09/07/2024 21:05

Dulra · 09/07/2024 20:57

I've never seen any ads like that. I think ads are more to do with your search history rather than the website you are on. My friend used to work in this area and it is linked to your personal algorithms. We could both be on the same web page and see different ads.

(PS my house are all cheering for Espana)

The thing is apart from checking times of Israel when trying to post something for here I barely read anything pro Israel. Most of my reading is twitter/ bbc / guardian and Spanish news and most of it will be pro Palestine related so really I’m not the person the Israel government is going to convince.

ps. In my house we don’t care much :) but I’m quite glad most of the goals are by footballers the far right hates.

Dulra · 09/07/2024 20:57

EasterIssland · 09/07/2024 20:48

The website so it can be seen I was reading about the football match

I've never seen any ads like that. I think ads are more to do with your search history rather than the website you are on. My friend used to work in this area and it is linked to your personal algorithms. We could both be on the same web page and see different ads.

(PS my house are all cheering for Espana)

EasterIssland · 09/07/2024 20:48

The website so it can be seen I was reading about the football match

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 3)
EasterIssland · 09/07/2024 20:47

Seems to be the day today that I’m being targeted by the Israeli government. Reading the Spanish news about the Eurocope match between Spain and France and I’m being targeted with an ad from this account as well.

in my experience I’m seeing them in the Spanish websites mainly

ps sorry for the derailment op tho I guess it’s still something related with the topic. Israel’s governments trying to influence and control the opinion with its propaganda.

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 3)
This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 3)
ConnieCounter · 09/07/2024 20:43

Also Ms Rachel was getting bullied online for making posts that sympathised with children in Gaza. Imagine being such a psycho that you bully someone online for that.

anotherlevel · 09/07/2024 20:32

@BelleHathor that's just not on, not every child can't read. There are plenty that can! Can the ads be reported?

BelleHathor · 09/07/2024 19:44

@ConnieCounter and @Scirocco it's absolutely shocking and points to a failure from the YouTube team (and the 3rd party adspace selling companies they use) as well, who should have vetted the adverts as YouTube Kids is rightly meant to be severely restricted. Though I can't even imagine the thought process of the marketing team that thought serving an ad like that to Children would be a PR win.

ConnieCounter · 09/07/2024 19:29

BelleHathor · 09/07/2024 13:58

The Israeli government has spent millions on "reputation management", these ads are a part of that.

I remember parents getting upset earlier in this conflict as ads like this were run on YouTube kids:
https://x.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1712446982403342616

The ads are part of the larger Hasbara Toolbox used to promote Israel's image to the outside world. Though they are garish, arrogant in that they presume the target is misinformed. They also operate via fear and emotional manipulation.

Edited

I got this one when I was watching Ms Rachel with my baby a few months back.

Given that they've killed thousands of children they have some brass neck running that ad.

anotherlevel · 09/07/2024 17:15

This is a news piece from 1980.

www.instagram.com/reel/C8Kf82KN4bc/?igsh=MTUxZmNudXRsYm8xZQ==

It's for those who believe it started on Oct 7.

Scirocco · 09/07/2024 17:00

BelleHathor · 09/07/2024 13:58

The Israeli government has spent millions on "reputation management", these ads are a part of that.

I remember parents getting upset earlier in this conflict as ads like this were run on YouTube kids:
https://x.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1712446982403342616

The ads are part of the larger Hasbara Toolbox used to promote Israel's image to the outside world. Though they are garish, arrogant in that they presume the target is misinformed. They also operate via fear and emotional manipulation.

Edited

That is awful. And so, so insensitive. Just think how many older children who can read will see those things, and how many people grieving the loss of loved ones in Palestine.

anotherlevel · 09/07/2024 16:17

I haven't had these ads either @EasterIssland

anotherlevel · 09/07/2024 16:16

A little bit of good news

Reem's grandfather becomes a grandfather again

www.instagram.com/p/C9MF-G9AozB/?igsh=ZWlndXoxYW5mNnRk