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IbisDancer · 16/05/2024 09:52

Pardon if this isn’t an appropriate addition.

An Interior Department staffer on Wednesday became the first Jewish political appointee to publicly resign in protest of U.S. support for Israel’s war in Gaza. Lily Greenberg Call, a special assistant to the chief of staff in the Interior Department, accused President Joe Biden of using Jews to justify U.S. policy in the conflict.

Her resignation letter - I cannot find full text, just quotes from it
Greenberg Call said: "I can no longer in good conscience continue to represent this administration amidst President Biden’s disastrous, continued support for Israel’s genocide in Gaza"."What I have learned from my Jewish tradition is that every life is precious. That we are obligated to stand up for those facing violence and oppression, and to question authority in the face of injustice,"
“However, I can no longer in good conscience continue to represent this administration,” she wrote.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Call pointed to comments by Biden, including at a White House Hanukkah event where he said “Were there no Israel, there wouldn’t be a Jew in the world who was safe” and at an event at Washington’s Holocaust Memorial last week in which he said the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attacks that triggered the war were driven by an “ancient desire to wipe out the Jewish people.”

“He is making Jews the face of the American war machine. And that is so deeply wrong,” she said, noting that ancestors of hers were killed by “state-sponsored violence.”

“I think the president has to know that there are people in his administration who think this is disastrous,” Call said of the war overall and U.S. support for it. “Not just for Palestinians, for Israelis, for Jews, for Americans, for his election prospects.”

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Finallyloggedin · 16/05/2024 06:42

Thanks @ScrollingLeaves , that paragraph surprised me too. I think it is an interesting assessment but I’m not sure if he has taken the conclusion too far. I know the Balfour declaration happened in circa 1917 (definitely before ww2) so I think there were already plans in place but I have no idea on the propaganda/dehumanising. I guess it probably did go on beforehand but I don’t know enough about it. ill try to look into it some more but I do definitely agree that it is a tricky paragraph.

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ScrollingLeaves · 15/05/2024 23:19

Finallyloggedin · 14/05/2024 22:11

https://x.com/alon_mizrahi/status/1790304674542735375?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

An interesting piece by Alon Mizrahi, Jewish Arab Israeli writer, on his view of collective trauma:

“Collective trauma is always fake and manufactured. Let me explain why and how. It's going to be a little provocative, but not uninteresting (and, as Twitter virtually stopped showing my posts to new people, make sure you follow if this happens to bounce into your feed).

Not only is collective trauma fake and manufactured, I say, it is also one of the most destructive and psychologically effective forms of perpetuating white colonial privilege and white supremacy.

To demonstrate my point, let's look back on 9/11, the last grand big trauma the American collective endured, or, as I believe and can easily show you, was brainwashed into experiencing as a collective trauma.

You remember that day, right? You also remember how it was covered. Never a more dramatic and apocalyptic live coverage of anything was ever seen. For hours on end, mentally broken, teary-eyed and breathless news broadcasts showed every millisecond of it again and again and again, and it went on for days and months, or maybe years.

Now imagine 9/11 happening a century earlier (for purposes of this exercise, we'll hypothesize the existence of huge, jet-powers airplanes in the early 20th century).

How would 9/11 be experienced in an era before live video coverage? By the time it reached Wyoming or California, it would naturally be surpassed by local and more urgent stories (a train wrack; a new goldmine discovered; a baby born to a couple in their 50', and so on).

I could elaborate a lot more on this point, but I think it is rather clear and intuitive. And what it means is the public trauma and urgency of 9/11 were not the result of the events themselves, but of the means by which they were mediated to the wider public.

A consciousness generated by artificial means is never authentic.

Naturally, 9/11 would only be a trauma for people who were involved in it firsthand. But it would be such a political waste to let it be that, right? For maximum effect (both the generation of manufactured collective trauma and the augmentation of politically motivated mass media as the source of consciousness), 9/11 had to be given a meaning so sweeping it would immediately negate any coolheadedness and human context, thus allowing the powerful establishments to operate free from criticism.

The same thing happened in Israel on October 7.

To bring this understanding even closer to home, I'll tell you about a conversation I had with Ruhama Marton, an Israeli psychiatrist, veteran radical left-winger, and founder of Israel's Physicians for Human Rights.

Ruhama, an 88-year-old woman with memories of life in Palestine before the Nakba (she once told me, in an interview I did with her, about the Palestinian boy and girl who were her childhood friends in Tel Aviv, and who suddenly, and heartbreakingly, disappeared one day in 1948), is one of the brightest political thinkers I ever knew, and I consider her a teacher. A true and actual radical.

Some weeks after October 7 I called Ruhama to talk about things, as I had very few people I could actually do that with. I told her I was feeling it was getting insane, and I remember telling her what I saw as a neverending loop of 'look what they have done, look what they have done, just look what they have done', and then I added 'to us'.

'You have to stress the 'to us' part', Ruhama told me. It is crucial.

This is indeed crucial, and if you look at the way 9/11 was covered, you can break down the different psychological mechanisms at play, of which this was a strategic one.

It was, indeed, a neverending loop of 'look what they have done to us'.

By repeating and repeating this endlessly, a clear divide is created: we are just heroic first responders, victims, and shocked witnesses. They, on the other hand,oh those human animals.

One side is defined by pure human and pure emotions and feelings misleadingly contextualized in language, culture, and geography, the other by nefarious actions from which you are to deduce their inhuman, bloodthirsty barbarism.

So the generated collective trauma was used in real-time to make them appear alien both in terms of political relationships (this could not be a response to something we did), but also morally: look what they have done to us, who have always been so moral, communal and pure.

You can tell collective trauma is fake also by simply looking at who is entitled to this free pass on everything. The US went into collective trauma after Pearl Harbor and was justified in nuking Japan, and also on 9/11, and further justified in killing millions in the Middle East.

Jews were traumatized by their history and so should be forgiven the Nakba, and further traumatized by October 7 and justified in genocide.

But have you ever heard anyone else being described in terms of acting out of collective trauma? Has it even been used for black people in the US or anywhere else? For Muslims, who have no right to be traumatized as a collective, no matter what is done to them?

No one who isn't a white colonizer is afforded the privilege of this card. Not even Russia, a definitely white culture, after being almost totally annihilated in ww2, and losing tens of millions of soldiers and citizens. You never hear 'leave them alone, they are traumatized'.

Finally, and especially about Zionism. the very mention of trauma is a joke. Zionism had all its plans for Palestinians finalized years before the holocaust. It dehumanized them and had a deep disdain for their way of life and who they were even before the first Zionist settlers landed in Palestine.

This was never about collective trauma. It was always about a sense of supremacy and entitlement that every now and then finds new excuses and justifications for its psychopathy: sometimes it's 'scientifically-proven' racial superiority, sometimes it's a religious mission, and sometimes it's 'collective trauma'. But it is always fake, deceitful, manufactured, and murderous.”

That is a very interesting thesis about the West manipulating collective trauma in order to sanction massive disproportionate counter-attacks to crush others.

But, do you know more detail about the points in this paragraph you quoted , regarding the Zionists dehumanising Palestinians even then? What about the other way around, mightn’t that possibly be the case too?

I’d feel uneasy just taking this paragraph to be true, but do not know anything about the history,

Finally, and especially about Zionism. the very mention of trauma is a joke. Zionism had all its plans for Palestinians finalized years before the holocaust. It dehumanized them and had a deep disdain for their way of life and who they were even before the first Zionist settlers landed in Palestine

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Finallyloggedin · 14/05/2024 22:11

https://x.com/alon_mizrahi/status/1790304674542735375?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

An interesting piece by Alon Mizrahi, Jewish Arab Israeli writer, on his view of collective trauma:

“Collective trauma is always fake and manufactured. Let me explain why and how. It's going to be a little provocative, but not uninteresting (and, as Twitter virtually stopped showing my posts to new people, make sure you follow if this happens to bounce into your feed).

Not only is collective trauma fake and manufactured, I say, it is also one of the most destructive and psychologically effective forms of perpetuating white colonial privilege and white supremacy.

To demonstrate my point, let's look back on 9/11, the last grand big trauma the American collective endured, or, as I believe and can easily show you, was brainwashed into experiencing as a collective trauma.

You remember that day, right? You also remember how it was covered. Never a more dramatic and apocalyptic live coverage of anything was ever seen. For hours on end, mentally broken, teary-eyed and breathless news broadcasts showed every millisecond of it again and again and again, and it went on for days and months, or maybe years.

Now imagine 9/11 happening a century earlier (for purposes of this exercise, we'll hypothesize the existence of huge, jet-powers airplanes in the early 20th century).

How would 9/11 be experienced in an era before live video coverage? By the time it reached Wyoming or California, it would naturally be surpassed by local and more urgent stories (a train wrack; a new goldmine discovered; a baby born to a couple in their 50', and so on).

I could elaborate a lot more on this point, but I think it is rather clear and intuitive. And what it means is the public trauma and urgency of 9/11 were not the result of the events themselves, but of the means by which they were mediated to the wider public.

A consciousness generated by artificial means is never authentic.

Naturally, 9/11 would only be a trauma for people who were involved in it firsthand. But it would be such a political waste to let it be that, right? For maximum effect (both the generation of manufactured collective trauma and the augmentation of politically motivated mass media as the source of consciousness), 9/11 had to be given a meaning so sweeping it would immediately negate any coolheadedness and human context, thus allowing the powerful establishments to operate free from criticism.

The same thing happened in Israel on October 7.

To bring this understanding even closer to home, I'll tell you about a conversation I had with Ruhama Marton, an Israeli psychiatrist, veteran radical left-winger, and founder of Israel's Physicians for Human Rights.

Ruhama, an 88-year-old woman with memories of life in Palestine before the Nakba (she once told me, in an interview I did with her, about the Palestinian boy and girl who were her childhood friends in Tel Aviv, and who suddenly, and heartbreakingly, disappeared one day in 1948), is one of the brightest political thinkers I ever knew, and I consider her a teacher. A true and actual radical.

Some weeks after October 7 I called Ruhama to talk about things, as I had very few people I could actually do that with. I told her I was feeling it was getting insane, and I remember telling her what I saw as a neverending loop of 'look what they have done, look what they have done, just look what they have done', and then I added 'to us'.

'You have to stress the 'to us' part', Ruhama told me. It is crucial.

This is indeed crucial, and if you look at the way 9/11 was covered, you can break down the different psychological mechanisms at play, of which this was a strategic one.

It was, indeed, a neverending loop of 'look what they have done to us'.

By repeating and repeating this endlessly, a clear divide is created: we are just heroic first responders, victims, and shocked witnesses. They, on the other hand,oh those human animals.

One side is defined by pure human and pure emotions and feelings misleadingly contextualized in language, culture, and geography, the other by nefarious actions from which you are to deduce their inhuman, bloodthirsty barbarism.

So the generated collective trauma was used in real-time to make them appear alien both in terms of political relationships (this could not be a response to something we did), but also morally: look what they have done to us, who have always been so moral, communal and pure.

You can tell collective trauma is fake also by simply looking at who is entitled to this free pass on everything. The US went into collective trauma after Pearl Harbor and was justified in nuking Japan, and also on 9/11, and further justified in killing millions in the Middle East.

Jews were traumatized by their history and so should be forgiven the Nakba, and further traumatized by October 7 and justified in genocide.

But have you ever heard anyone else being described in terms of acting out of collective trauma? Has it even been used for black people in the US or anywhere else? For Muslims, who have no right to be traumatized as a collective, no matter what is done to them?

No one who isn't a white colonizer is afforded the privilege of this card. Not even Russia, a definitely white culture, after being almost totally annihilated in ww2, and losing tens of millions of soldiers and citizens. You never hear 'leave them alone, they are traumatized'.

Finally, and especially about Zionism. the very mention of trauma is a joke. Zionism had all its plans for Palestinians finalized years before the holocaust. It dehumanized them and had a deep disdain for their way of life and who they were even before the first Zionist settlers landed in Palestine.

This was never about collective trauma. It was always about a sense of supremacy and entitlement that every now and then finds new excuses and justifications for its psychopathy: sometimes it's 'scientifically-proven' racial superiority, sometimes it's a religious mission, and sometimes it's 'collective trauma'. But it is always fake, deceitful, manufactured, and murderous.”

https://x.com/alon_mizrahi/status/1790304674542735375?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 14/05/2024 19:57

@BelleHathor thank you so much, I really appreciate you saying that ❤️

you also do an amazing job, I always find your posts really informative xx

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BelleHathor · 14/05/2024 19:49

Finallyloggedin · 14/05/2024 19:29

https://x.com/ori_goldberg/status/1790272064856707472?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Israeli academic on the impact of Israeli citizens support for the genocide.

Excellent tweet, he gets it wholeheartedly and there are more people waking up to the fact that after this is over there will be unsavoury groups who will use pictures like that to actually spread real hatred.

P.s. You are doing an excellent job ❤.

Every little bit helps the people just trying to survive right now, you are their voice xx

Finallyloggedin · 14/05/2024 19:32

@AhNowTed thank you and I know what you mean. 😭 I wish I could post something happier.

It is heartening, at least, to read that some Israelis are doing their very best to get the message through to their fellow citizens and make them understand that they are aiding and abetting the genocide.

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Finallyloggedin · 14/05/2024 19:29

https://x.com/ori_goldberg/status/1790272064856707472?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Israeli academic on the impact of Israeli citizens support for the genocide.

https://x.com/ori_goldberg/status/1790272064856707472?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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AhNowTed · 14/05/2024 08:08

Great thread with some fantastic links, even if the content horribly depressing.

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ScrollingLeaves · 13/05/2024 22:55

Finallyloggedin · 13/05/2024 19:53

https://x.com/hagaielad/status/1790043171235254296?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog Israeli Human Right Advocate writing in Haaretz. Really good read. If only he were listened to.

TRIGGER WARNING
Channel 4 news tonight bears witness to genocide. They show a little girl ‘s tiny, still living body being uncovered from under rubble where her head is wedged under blocks of cement. When they pull her out her head is covered in blood, and she is screaming for her mother. She does not yet know her mother is dead, and others of her family.

Not only do you see her tragedy, you realise there are others similarly buried alive but who will never be found. How many hours, days even does it take them to die?

Finallyloggedin · 13/05/2024 22:38

https://x.com/qasimrashid/status/1790068411675869645?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog resignation letter from Jewish American Army Officer, Major Harrison Mann.

“"I told myself my individual contribution was minimal, and that if I didn’t do my job, someone else would, so why cause a stir for nothing?" he wrote. "At some point — whatever the justification — you’re either advancing a policy that enables the mass starvation of children, or you’re not,"

https://x.com/qasimrashid/status/1790068411675869645?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 13/05/2024 19:53

https://x.com/hagaielad/status/1790043171235254296?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog Israeli Human Right Advocate writing in Haaretz. Really good read. If only he were listened to.

https://x.com/hagaielad/status/1790043171235254296?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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Finallyloggedin · 10/05/2024 21:26

https://x.com/alonleegreen/status/1788980203449950224?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Protests in Israel

“You won't see it on the news, but thousands of Israelis - Jews and Palestinians - marched together demanding to end the war, to end the occupation and to create an Israeli-Palestinian peace of freedom,equality and independence for all.“

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Kindatired · 07/05/2024 23:10

According to the New York Times last week, the CIA says Israel cannot eliminate Hamas militarily ( staying the obvious) .

Finallyloggedin · 07/05/2024 11:21

Yes, I am praying that he is right 🙏🙏🙏

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ScrollingLeaves · 07/05/2024 10:30

Finallyloggedin · 07/05/2024 10:07

Thank you, that is an interesting view. It would be good if it is true that attacking Rafah will be/is half-hearted, and only for show.

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BelleHathor · 30/04/2024 15:01

Finallyloggedin · 30/04/2024 13:22

Jonathan Cook, Nathareth based journalist on what he believes Israel and the US have planned. I actually feel sick reading this https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2024-04-30/israel-us-plan-gaza/

Bastards if they attempt to do this. It's a plan cooked up by the Foreign Policy blob in Washington and is extremely idiotic.

The countries that defended Israel against Iran's response earlier this month spent approximately $3 billion and Israel used half of its Iron Dome rockets according to former diplomats and intelligence analysts.

This way disaster lies, not just for the Civilians in Gaza but also the Civilians in Israel. Iran and all the proxies in the region will launch the kind of barrage never seen before. The war that Lindsay Graham and his sort want will not be pretty. Hope for someone sane to realise this.

ScrollingLeaves · 30/04/2024 13:42

Thank you for this thread for these articles which can’t just be automatically discounted as those from Al Jazeera, The Middle Eastern Eye etc usually are.

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