Bearing Witness to the genocide - Israeli Academic Lee Mordechai

ICJ has just ruled Israel must halt its Rafah offensive immediately!

It doesn’t prove your point. Your point was no one ever discusses these other conflicts. But they were all discussed.

You may not have seen them because the active discussion lists a random fifty discussions updated within the last hour.

It’s never going to list threads that happened weeks, months or years ago.
Or threads that hit the max 1000 posts and were finished/closed out,

It’s not like these threads are hidden or never go no attention at the time these things were being discussed. The Syrian civil war, one of your examples, was almost a decade ago…

The search function is how you find threads that happened or even threads going on now that didn’t get selected by the random AI to list in active discussions.

'Doing a search' is how you find things on a site like this. You click on the search or advanced search tool, type in what you want to find, and it appears. It's not indicating anything is hidden or hard to find.

@SmugglersHaunt rsHaunt · 21/05/2024 19:20

Weird how there haven’t been similar posts about any other wars.

Are you saying that posters should think of Israel as being the equivalent of Assad, the Chinese, Iran etc rather than a modern, civilised state at the right hand of the USA, Britain and other European democracies, with a number of Israelis who may also actually American or British?

So you had to do a search? Proves my point. You don’t have to search for anti-Israel posts. They’re there all the time

I did a search on MN and there have been posts on all those conflicts and more. Perhaps the “not Jews = no news” applies to you more than to those you accuse?

Deep,dark and very true. Netanhayu has probably single handedly destroyed the prospect of liberal, open , democratic Israel for the forseeable future. Like Trump it is a pact with the devil of a narcisistic habitually ingrained corrupt liar who lays siege and pillages the institutions of the state he confesses to love and protect but ultimately degrades, corrupts and destroys for his own sociopathic gain. This current generation is lost, Hamas' day of rage has seen to that, no doubt provoking Israel, with deliberate intention to am inchoate rage. Gideon Levi is my goto guy for his take on it all but he is sadly a voice in an ever increasing wilderness, but he finds the strength to be wearingly angry but never gives in to despair. We can learn a lot from such voices.

Israeli hasbara, or public diplomacy, does not try to deny the reality in Gaza. It only makes the claim of antisemitism: Why pick on us? What about Sudan and Yemen? The logic doesn't hold: A driver who is stopped for speeding won't get off by arguing that he's not the only one. The crimes and the criminals remain. Israel will never prosecute anyone for these offenses. It never has, neither for its wars nor its occupation. On a good day, it will prosecute a soldier who stole some Palestinian's credit card.

They cannot be allowed to go unpunished. Nor is it possible to blame only Hamas, even if it has a part in the crimes. We are the ones who killed, starved, displaced, and destroyed on such a massive scale. Someone must be brought to justice for this. Netanyahu is the head, of course. The picture of him imprisoned in The Hague together with the defense minister and the IDF chief of staff is the stuff of nightmares to every Israeli. And yet, it is probably warranted.

It is highly unlikely, however. The pressure being exerted on the court by Israel and the United States are enormous (and wrong). But scare tactics can be important. If the officials actually refrain from traveling abroad in the next few years, if they actually live in fear of what may come, we can be sure that in the next war, they'll think twice before sending the military on campaigns of death and destruction of such insane proportions. We can find a little comfort in that, at least.

The killing and destruction in Gaza has gotten Israel in way over its head. It is the worst catastrophe the state has ever faced. Someone led it there – no, not antisemitism, but rather its leaders and military officers. If not for them, it wouldn't have turned so quickly after October 7 from a cherished country that inspired compassion into a pariah state.

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The press really isn't interested in those conflicts or they would report on them. And they are or were very keen on Ukraine. They make the news weather so to speak and most people take their cues and passing interest from that. I don't think it's any more sinister than that. Maybe the acres of newsprint devoted to the royal fmaily or empty headed celebrities could give way to more serious reporting. But I doubt it.

@SmugglersHaunt
The are terrible human rights abuses in China and Sudan.But the pressure of Public opinion from the developed anglophone world is unlikely to cut off the supply of weapons to the combatants.
Furthermore, the intensity of the casualties on a daily basis exceeds any conflict in modern times. 20,000 children have been orphaned in the space of about 6 months. Bodies have yet emit be retrieved - they could be heard calling for help until they died in some cases
The numbers for Sudan and other conflict situations were presented today by a global health expert in the Royal College of Physicians In Dublin. The numbers were presented because your comparisons are frequently brought up in this context. I didn’t manage to grab a snapshot but the casualties definitely a lot lot worse. These figures were not challenged by global health experts, public health academics, statisticians or epidemiologists. So I can see where you are coming from , but these situations need threads of their own. One persons suffering cannot diminish another’s

Probably because many posters here don't have family links to those conflicts in any numbers. I get the impression that quite a few posters both on the Israeli and Palestinian sides have personal links to both communities and it has been headline news in all the mainstream press for many months now and so it will inevitably be more dominant than those terrible injustices you have referenced.

Thank you as Scirocco. It hurts so much when people deliberately don't want to see the truth.

@BibiSuzanne I'm sorry you have to read these things. You are not alone.

@SmugglersHaunt The other conflicts you've mentioned should definitely get more attention in the media.

What have you done to try to raise awareness or directly help people in such conflicts; would you have any advice or recommendations? Personally, I've provided medical assistance and worked with refugees and survivors of torture, raised funds, campaigned, boycotted things, and written about issues. If you think similar threads would be helpful for other conflicts, you could start them. This thread should remain on topic, though.

Here we go again. Can't say anything about Palestinians without having campaigned about other causes. IT IS NOT ABOUT JEWS! Zionist Jews happen to be the other side.
Must I never say anything about my people being displaced or slaughtered because you think I haven't spoken up or campaigned about other causes.

Weird how there haven’t been similar posts about any other wars.

Assad’s murder of over 300,000 Syrians.

China’s murder of Uyghurs. Over sixteen thousand mosques been destroyed and hundreds of thousands of children have been forcibly separated from their parents in China.

15k killed in the latest war in Sudan, with 7 million displaced.

Approx. 230,000 killed in the war in Yemen.

Plus countless other wars, documented and undocumented.

Not a peep about any of that.

But no Jews = no news.

@Finallyloggedin It’s hard to take in even as an outsider. If you went to funeral of a child killed in Gaza every day it would take 37 years according to global health experts Dr Trish Scanlon