Israeli hostage describes graphic sexual assault

dubsie the internet is full of claims that the rapes and butchering on 7 October didn't happen. That is antisemitic.
FYI Hamas invaded Israel (not the other way round) and broke an existing ceasefire.

No one denies the claim, it is no excuse to invade a country and kill 30,000 civilians and injure another 100,000. That is no anti Semitic just a plain and simple fact.

This is the Times of Israel’s report from March.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/released-hostage-amit-soussana-reveals-she-was-sexually-assaulted-by-hamas-captor/

Soussana’s account was on one of the threads a few weeks back. It is extraordinarily brave of her to expose herself to the world by telling what happened to her. I read before that she spoke to the investigators after her release, but this more public revelation was so as to be sure people properly understand the horrific plight of the hostages, and do everything they can to bring about their release.

It is impossible to contemplate the horror of having endured this and the complete stress of such a captivity day after day for three months, and now it is double that for the remaining hostages.

Her captor said he was bad afterwards.

A man with a gun in a state of complete power over a helpless woman is a dangerous monster who may corrupt himself with that power, as this one evidently did. The Hamas leadership who denied anything like this could ever have happened were wrong of course.

This happens all the time. There are too many posters on here who spend all their time explaining the “context” of October 7th to try to make it seem an inevitable and understandable response to Israeli oppression.

Agreed

It's disturbing that people's first response to hearing about a Jewish woman being raped is to spew anti-Semitism.

Weirdly, no "Jews" are not a country. No country is people, countries are land.

Jews are an ethnoreligous group. This means it is both an ethnicity (similar to Arab, Chinese, Caribbean etc.) and a religion. You can be ethnically Jewish and not practise the religion.

Israel is a country. Israelis are the citizens of the country of Israel. Around 73% of Israelis are Jews. Around 22% are Arabs. Many Israelis have family history in the region going back generations.

Israel happens to be the only country on earth with a majority Jewish population. Approximately 49 countries have a Muslim majority. Around 158 countries have a Christian majority.

Jewish people have been historically persecuted across the globe. Including being expelled from a significant number of countries and treated as "lesser" in a larger number of others (including having less than full rights, being forced to wear identification of their Jewishness etc.).

In a country where the majority of people are Jewish, Jewish people can feel safer because they are very unlikely to elect a government will enact laws to treat them that way.

In a country where Jewish people are a minority group - which is every country except Israel, Jewish people can never out vote a law to expel them simply for being Jewish.

Having Israel remain as a Jewish majority country is quite important to a lot of Jewish people.

You might not agree with that and that's fine. You're entitled to an opinion.

But I wonder who you think does deserve a country? Are Germans or Dutch people or the English more entitled to a country than Israelis? How about Serbians or Kosovans? Crimean Tatars? Why?

From Wikipedia

During the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, around 10,000 Jews were forced to evacuate their homes in Palestine or Israel.[83] The war indirectly resulted in the Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim lands. Largely because of the war between Jews and Arabs in Palestine, hundreds of thousands of Jews who lived in the Arab states were intimidated into flight, or were expelled from their native countries, most of them reaching Israel. The immediate reasons for this exodus were both the popular Arab hostility, including pogroms and anti-Jewish governmental measures,[84] as well as the desire of many Jewish people to join the newly established State of Israel.

My understanding is that the Jewish population were given some land post WW2 as they had been persecuted elsewhere. According to this article Jews were forced out by Arab lands.

I was surprised when I visited Berlin about 10 years ago to learn that the synagogues still needed 24hr security guards. So for whatever reason Jews are still targeted (prior to this recent war).

I don't know why different religions can't live alongside each other - I'm not religious. However it seems to cause arguments worldwide.

Being Jewish isn't just a religion, as I'm sure you know. Hamas didn't check that their victims were religious before they murdered them for being Jewish. Neither did the Nazis, or anyone else who persecuted Jewish people throughout the millennia.

What had this unbelievably ignorant post got to do with the rape that happened on 7/10?

@Tonkas still confused as to how the 7/10 victims were zionist invaders.

@FutureFeelsBleak

No - but I still wouldn't rape & kill a young woman.

www.change.org/p/demand-nikon-to-denounce-the-award-given-to-the-associate-press-for-picture-of-the-year

Equally I don't agree with continual bombing of civilians like Israel is doing currently.

Neither are OK.

Would you be ok with me coming to your home and evicting you @converseandjeans on the basis I considered it to be my homeland?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JewishexodusfromtheMuslim_world

It looks from this link - which was on Wikipedia link from @Tonkas that the Jewish population had to flee Muslim countries & leave their houses & property behind. Where do you suggest the Jewish population go? Are they not allowed a homeland?

@Tonkas

Did you not pay attention in Modern World history classes at school?

Well yes I'm aware of the situation. However if you apply this logic then it would be acceptable for Irish men to go to Glastonbury Festival & grab some young female festival goers, rape them & then drive round with their dead bodies - but it would be OK as we invaded Ireland & colonised them. Equally we could send some British soldiers over to Germany to make a point about WW2. Algerian men could go to France & take French hostages. The list goes on.

Are you justifying the rape & murder of young female festival goers? Just because there are ongoing political tensions?

Sorry who is that directed at?

Did you not pay attention in Modern World history classes at school?

Here's a wiki page for you 1948 Palestine

Do you disagree with the Wind of change too and did you support South African aparthied?

The impact of colonialism just carries on and on and on.

@tonkas Who did the people at the music festival invade? what about the children who were killed or kidnapped from their homes?

But Hamas did take women, children & elderly people hostage & treat them appallingly.

But that's just the way things go. Any retaliation by Israel will be seen as too much. They're really simply expected to just suck it up. Apparently there was an off the record quote by a senior Hamas person saying they didn't really think Israel would retaliate much.

www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/26/israeli-hostage-first-sexual-assault-lawyer-hamas-gaza-hit/

Just adding another news outlet's link in case it's useful.

@Tonkas

Are you saying the Hamas attack on Zionist invaders legitimises the murder and starvation (genocide) of the native Palestinians?

I'm not supporting one side over the other in the conflict. But Hamas did take women, children & elderly people hostage & treat them appallingly. It has barely been acknowledged in the press & many people are saying these women are lying despite there being evidence to the contrary. I find it worrying that many on MN which is mainly females are justifying the rape & torture & saying it's ok because their government has unresolved issues politically. How is the rape of women in October 23 acceptable to you?

No of course it's not OK to starve & bomb Gaza. That's obviously not in any way acceptable. But Hamas started all of this & are still refusing to hand back hostages.