Is Israel on its way to being a "Failed State?"

@TooBigForMyBoots if the US ends partnership with Israel then they run the risk of tech, weapons and research falling into the hands of adversarial nations.

@Dulra it's just an opinion. An option. I am just suggesting they may pivot away from the west and build relationships with countries less bothered about Israel's domestic politics going far right

Right so Israel has no morals and will get in to bed with anyone if the price is right, got it 👌
Would love to see the walk of shame after Russia

Yes it will be will be a very different type of Israel.

Like it or not but Israel is at the forefront of missile defence, cyber, advanced tanks. If support is withdrawn by the US then Israel may have to get in bed with those less desirable (Russia? China?) and they would be forced to get into bed with them to survive.

Sanctions would be more easily applied and would probably result in arms being less easily obtained but they would result in the iron dome being compromised and that would not be good news for Gaza. If Israel couldn't prevent 90% of missiles landing and hitting their target then why hold back?

Just a couple of thoughts...

Every country is dependent on established global ties. America is co-dependent on Israel.

I'm only commenting on what I think the poster meant, if you scroll back to the conversation they were having they were talking about arms supplies

In the context of a failing state?

I don't think the poster meant the economy more militarily and for security.

All countries depend on each other in this global economy.

The Klu Klux clan, as evil and disgusting as they were, didn't quite pull off exterminating 6 million Black people.
The KKK didn't but the slave trade caused the estimated death of 30 to 60 million Africans died while being enslaved: a 50% mortality rate among new slaves while waiting to be shipped in Africa, a 10% mortality among the survivors while crossing the ocean, and another 50% mortality rate in the first "seasoning" phase of slave labour. Half of the children born enslaved died in the first year of their life.

@quantumbutterfly I echo that sentiment.

I am a convert to Judaism. I am also POC..converting to judaism didn't change my race or my looks or indeed how people treat me..I am a progressive jew so I don't dress very differently from the general population (though overall more Conservative cos I see my orthodox MIL a lot). However even if I was orthodox, many of the modern orthodox women don't wear wigs these days and their clothes look like normal office wear so I suspect no one would know I was Jewish and its the same for most converts given most of us are female. And any POC convert would be treated like a POC who hasnt converted by the world.Anyone can convert to judaism so technically anyone with the wish and drive to can become Jewish.. so

In contrast my dh who was born Jewish but a child of a convert absolutely gets treated differently even as a white person. His mum gave all her children typically israeli names.

The irony of all of that given you defend what’s going on in Gaza. As I said, I am done with you now we can agree to disagree.

I've made the mistake in the past of finding views like mcouts laughably ignorant, with experience I've realised how deadly serious they actually are.

@LemonyTicket thank you for taking the time and energy, your posts resonate with me and many others.

They are MY COUNTRIES. Not theirs.

Iraq is my country. It is in my country that Yazidi women are force fed contraceptives, and where thousands of them are missing after being taken as ISIS sex slaves, or where 19 of them were burned alive as hundreds of people watched for the crime of refusing to convert to Islam.

Yazidis, native to Iraq for thousands of years have faced 72 genocides. Seventy two. And as Kurds, most of them look "white". I assume them standing up to their oppressors and saying such oppression is barbaric and wrong, is therefore in your book also "white supremacy"? I suppose if they were to say "actually we are indigenous to this place and we want out own independent country" that you'd call them "white supremacist zionists"? Or probably not, because you'd see how mental that would be huh.

All of that said, it actually doesn't matter what my heritage is. Any person - regardless of their nationality or racial heritage is allowed, actually should be encouraged, to express a preference for democracy over theocracy and for freedom over oppression.

Whilst you probably believe yourself to be an "anti-racist", defending oppressive regimes isn't anti-racist. Those regimes are extremely racist. They engage in slavery, murder, and horrific marginalisation of minorities. Google what's going on in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Yemen.

Your attitude implies that you have a complete disregard for the human rights of others if those depriving them of them of those rights are brown enough for it to be "cultural". I am quite sure if someone marched into Leicester square and burned some girls for not converting to Islam, or took away their house because they were not Christian, you'd be horrified and would see that as "backwards", violent, horrific and wrong.

But that's what happens in places where people do not have a right to life, religious freedom or equality. It is what happens to them every day. So, please, spare me your virtue. Oh my Gawd. Running around calling Mizrahi Jews "white supremacist zionists" is just...groan. As @Sussurations says I bet my bottom dollar 100 years ago you'd have been saying quite the opposite.

The US and UK support Israel because they think it benefits them.

But, support can’t be unconditional, because the way that Israel is behaving may have ramifications for those that support it.

International law was created to make the world a safer place, by recklessly shitting all over this Israel is setting a poor example and making everyone less safe.

Providing unconditional support is in nobody’s long term interests.

The US and others will continue to support Israel because failing to do so will lead to its non existence.

or an are not going to stop supplying arms to Hezbollah or Hamas so there is a good question to why should we stop supplying Israel.

Israel is here to stay....

If Israel were on its way to become a failed state then someone would remove its nuclear weapons. No one has done that because Israel is generally regarded as a stable power in this regard. On the other hand Iran.....

Should people be more honest about their anti semitism by openly stating Israel has no right to exist?

One of the reasons the Nazis murdered Jews was because they said we weren't aryan - white, blond haired, blue eyed. Some aryan looking (i.e. white passing) Jews managed to survive as they could disguise themselves.

Thanks for asking, I shall explain why I posted it.

3 months ago 153 countries believed that Israel were in the wrong.

Many more crimes have been committed by Israel since then and support has decreased even further.

This is a sign of failure, and a sign that Israel has made itself less safe.

Err no sorry. Where I am from a 100 years ago Jewish people were very much considered white including those of Middle eastern ancestry, especially when considering their general interactions with mine and decrying colonialism wasn’t a fashion, it was a necessity. But as I said I’m done now.

Listen, I am done with you now. I’m not disputing that you face antisemitism, I’m not disputing that a lot of the above is true. But in the mainstream you will be considered more palatable than other Middle Easterns.

When you get on here and decide to portray them and their countries as backwards in defensive of Israel, you are participating in exactly the same behaviour that it is inescapably clear that you do not appreciate being done to you.

@MCOut your unedifying posts really do underline the continuing thread of antisemitism. It’s currently fashionable to decry white colonialism, therefore in your mind Jews must be white colonisers.

100 years ago you would most certainly have been saying that Jews weren’t white.

A few hundred years before that you’d have been saying they killed Christ.

Same old same old

LemonyTicket is a heroine for putting up with your bs with such remarkable patience.

Jewish people, specifically the ones in European diaspora, were murdered in their millions for NOT BEING WHITE.

Thousands of years in many cases of living in Europe, STILL didn't make them white.

The ones who never left the Middle East, regardless of the colour of their faces, are also not "white".

They remain the most common targets of neo Nazis around the globe, who STILL march chanting "The Jews will not replace us"

They are the most famous victims of white supremacists, perhaps in history. The Klu Klux clan, as evil and disgusting as they were, didn't quite pull off exterminating 6 million Black people.

They were simultaneously the victims of extreme racism in the levant, persia, the middle east and north africa. Where, for example, they were routinely murdered, exiled or forced to wear yellow stars.

To this day, the majority of inhabitants of the MENA region hold anti Jewish beliefs, and racism against Jews is rife. There are entire groups, organisations or even government ls with actual flags or charters calling for the death of Jews.

Moreover, Jews, who come in all colours as do all indigenous people of the levant and Persia, generally did not experience racism on the basis of their skin colour. Hitler didn't hold up your Dulux paint chart when deciding who went in the gas chamber.

They are racially stigmatised physically, with characatures of beady eyes, hooked noses, curly hair and so on. As well as being racially stigmatised with numerous racist stereotypes unrelated to their physical appearance.

Certain moronic racists, for example, might be so prejudiced against Jews, that they go on the Internet claiming a Mizrahi Jew, a native Arabic speaker with Iraqi, Egyptian and Lebanese parents is "European" and a "white supremacist".

Because it fits nicely with an agenda that portrays histories most famous victims of white (and indeed other) supremacists as themselves being the "white supremacists", despite not being white, and despite being, very famously, murdered in their millions for not being so.

It's hard holding back from a personal attack when faced with such ignorance, particularly off the back of you haranguing me for my skin colour to meet your agenda of behaving like a racist and feeling like its all right to do so if a Jew is white enough for you to get away with it, but suffice to say, an antisemitism training course wouldn't do you any harm.