To be worried about the effects on British society of the conflict in Gaza

If only @BerryMess OP clearly has her stance on this issue and it's just another Muslim smearing campaign, so many of which pop up on MN. OP knew exactly what this thread would cause.

Yes, we all hold different beliefs. However, for me personally, witnessing death and destruction at the hands of the terrorist Israeli government and funded by our leaders, leaves me with very little empathy for the supporters of this genocide in the name of Israel defending herself.

Now this is what I get confused about. So we start talking about an increasingly divided society which we all more or less agree on and ways in which we can create more cohesive communities, but then the OP reveals she is pro-Israel and it's back to more arguing and sniping. Why can we not get to the part where we agree to disagree? Where we can accept that people see things in different ways and hold different beliefs? That we might not like another person's viewpoint but it's still valid? We are not each others enemy.

@mids2019 ...but the current Israeli government and IDF leadership have literally said that they want to destroy Gaza and prevent any Palestinian state, and are actively approving more illegal 'settlements' in the West Bank?

I also wonder what is happening in the Armenian community in Jerusalem.

The last time the Christian Armenians hit the headlines, they were being massacred by Muslim Azerbaijan, weren’t they? Ethnically cleansed out of Nagorno-Karabakh?
Those that survived the concentration camps, forced conversion and genocide instigated by the Ottoman Empire during WW1.

I agree, I was pleasantly surprised to hear the Pope express some concern for them.

This. Spot on.

They are currently trying to fight off a land grab by an Israeli settler developer.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/03/jerusalem-land-grab-armenian-community-fear-eviction-after-contentious-deal

The community has been in East Jerusalem for 1,600 years. Longer than the Normans currently populating the British ruling class and royal family…..

@SummerFeverVenice Yes, there is very little concern for Palestinian Christians, which I think is tragic. They are probably the oldest Christian community in the world, and seem to suffer some hostility within Jerusalem itself. I'm always surprised that Christians abroad don't seem to express much concern for them, though I know the Pope has done. I also wonder what is happening in the Armenian community in Jerusalem.

@mids2019 There has been a lot of criticism of that roadmap and that was before what is happening in Gaza now. The average UK citizen probably wasn't even aware that the UK was becoming besties with a lunatic Israeli govt.

And what of the Palestinian Christians also trapped and dying in Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank?

This isn’t a Muslims vs Jews war. It is Israelis vs Palestinians war where Israel has a full army/air force/navy and the Palestinians have nothing but illegally armed and formed grassroots terrorist groups that Israel apparently thinks all Palestinians are card and AK-47 carrying members of.

@Scirocco

"There is a very strong anti-Muslim sentiment in many areas of society and government. So it would be inaccurate in the eyes of many to promote the current government and society as being 'not anti-Muslim'"

There is without doubt very strong anti Muslim sentiment in many areas of society and Govt just as there is very strong anti Jewish sentiment.

The issue I see is that the conflict in Gaza creates further polarisation and division in UK society (as if the division caused by Brexit wasn't enough) that fuels further anti Muslim and anti Jewish sentiments in UK society and Govt making the existing problem bigger.

There is currently no seeing the conflict from the other side. It is simply I'm right and you are wrong plus you are an evil terrorist supporter or evil genocide supporter for Kayan opposing view.

@mids2019 if you were living in a place where everyday you risked dying, you and your children are starving and alot of your friends and family have been killed, your home destroyed. And everyday you wake up not knowing if you will survive to see the next or blown to pieces.
Would you expect your friends and family in other countries to just say yes very sad and continue with their lives or would you want them to speak up and do everything possible to raise awareness of your plight in the hope it will make a change?

One person commented that she needs to get her children to the church before the unthinkable happens. And the general tone of being brainwashed and naive. I guess you're being extremely selective in the bits you're commenting on here.

Underthinker, whilst there are many posts about food suggestions. There are quite a few with the stereotypical view she must be brain washed and that this is a parents worst nightmare.

Really? I read three pages of it, and it was mostly people helpfully suggesting Halal recipes and a couple of clarifications around the terms revert vs convert. I quite possibly missed something offensive but the overwhelming tone was supportive wasn't it?

I’m sorry, yes we do unfortunately tolerate a lot of unpleasant views about many ethnic minorities and it shouldn’t be seen as acceptable.

What happens when those views perpetuate unpleasant and harmful stereotypes? We wouldn’t tolerate those views relating to other minorities.

Really?
You don’t think unpleasant and harmful stereotypes are tolerated by people unless they’re about Muslims and Islam?
Tell the Black Communities, the Traveller Communities amd a dozen other minorities that they are not subject to harmful stereotyping.

The use of the term "phobic" in any circumstances and applied to any views is basically stating the fear is irrational and inbuilt. It is possible to have a view on this conflict without being phobic.

Thanks for the heads-up. I've just had a read. Definitely the DM brigade on that one!

It clearly doesn’t shut down discussion, or change any of these ‘views’ however it serves as a reminder that these views are often harmful.

It is possible that people have view which depend upon the cirumstances - the use of the term phobic shuts down discussion

What happens when those views perpetuate unpleasant and harmful stereotypes? We wouldn’t tolerate those views relating to other minorities.

I don't like the term either. A 'phobia' is generally thought of as a health issue, for which a person is not responsible and has limited or no control. That trivialises and excuses prejudice and hate. The Wikipedia article on the term has a brief summary of its origins and differing views on the term.

I think there is danger with using a "phobia" suffix. People are allowed views, this is the same for many topics and the labelling of phobic is not helpful in my view.