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Anyone seen the video where the police officer says a swastika is not anti-Semitic at a pro Palestine March?

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 31/03/2024 15:29

I know there are lots of pro-Palestine supporters in this area of the board. If not anti-Semitic then what else is it standing for in this context? Apparently it was drawn on some protestors banners.

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MrsFinkelstein · 31/03/2024 16:57

Auvergne63 · 31/03/2024 16:37

Could you, please, refrain from tarring every protester with the same brush and using insults ( thick antisemitic knobs) to describe them?
It is still our democratic right to protest. Most of the rights you have were earned by protesting, marching or striking. Are you going to give them up or is it only some you object to?

If you were parading with a swastika during a protest then the comment applies to you.
If you weren't - then it doesn't.
It's a pretty easy distinction to make.

Edit to add: if you're at a protest and parading alongside someone with a swastika, then the comment also applies to you.

Swastikas are never acceptable, in any protest.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 31/03/2024 16:49

I’m glad they arrested the protestor.

My thoughts were that I believe the police are being instructed to not incite the crowd because they don’t have the resources to handle any wide spread disruption. So swastikas can fly under the radar because of the bigger picture.

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AliceA2021 · 31/03/2024 16:43

Auvergne63 · 31/03/2024 16:37

Could you, please, refrain from tarring every protester with the same brush and using insults ( thick antisemitic knobs) to describe them?
It is still our democratic right to protest. Most of the rights you have were earned by protesting, marching or striking. Are you going to give them up or is it only some you object to?

Try reading!

IT is paraded by anti semitic knobs. I mean anyone who parades with a swastika is a thick anti semitic knob in my opinion and deserves to be arrested. I wouldn't march with anyone waving or wearing that. Hope that helps 🙄

Auvergne63 · 31/03/2024 16:37

AliceA2021 · 31/03/2024 16:29

It is paraded by thick anti semitic knobs who know the police are ineffective in a mob march (as can be seen most Saturdays in London). The mob know it and so act accordingly. Sensible people avoid them. They think they are changing the world blocking families from McDonalds.

They just polarise things more. Best give them a wide berth until the police start doing their job again and arrest them. Sadly they think they are helping.

Could you, please, refrain from tarring every protester with the same brush and using insults ( thick antisemitic knobs) to describe them?
It is still our democratic right to protest. Most of the rights you have were earned by protesting, marching or striking. Are you going to give them up or is it only some you object to?

BethDawn · 31/03/2024 16:33

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Well you clearly can't see why people are offended by it, given your final paragraph..

BethDawn · 31/03/2024 16:31

HawaiiWake · 31/03/2024 16:15

Agree but poster ask where can a swastika be seen and not be justified with negative implications. Therefore it was an answer to their question with quote to give context.

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This is disingenuous. That question was tagged onto another quote from a PP who said that they didn't know the context it was used in and the police would have to asked why they did not consider it anti-Semitic, rather than pro-Palestinians. That failure, right there, to condemn the swatiska by that poster tells you everything you need to know about the casual acceptance of anti-Semitism by too many on the pro-Palestinian side.

So the context was still very much within this March, and the poster claiming they didn't have the 'context' to comment on whether this swastika was anti-Semitic was a revolting apologist for blatant and outright anti-Semitism of the worst kind.

So, yeah, it a bit disingenuous to then pop up with 'helpful' replies about Buddhism and Hinduism when you know quite well what the context was that question was framed within.

Doveytail · 31/03/2024 16:30

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takemeawayagain · 31/03/2024 16:30

That is both shocking and really embarrassing. Terrible that it was allowed to go on, no question that it was antisemitic and the policeman made every ridiculous excuse he could not to do anything about it, 'I can't move from this spot' - really??!! I think he just didn't really give a shit and didn't want to get involved. And I say that as someone who is not Jewish and does not support Israel/Netanyahu.

AliceA2021 · 31/03/2024 16:29

It is paraded by thick anti semitic knobs who know the police are ineffective in a mob march (as can be seen most Saturdays in London). The mob know it and so act accordingly. Sensible people avoid them. They think they are changing the world blocking families from McDonalds.

They just polarise things more. Best give them a wide berth until the police start doing their job again and arrest them. Sadly they think they are helping.

HawaiiWake · 31/03/2024 16:29

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 16:26

I watched the video pp posted upthread. I'm confused by the Met's response. It wasn't clear to me, but if you have further information, share it.

As stated @MrsDanversGlidesAgain asked a question earlier about swastika to which the reply was there is the Buddhist symbol of Swastika, left facing with dots. Not the MET.

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 16:26

HawaiiWake · 31/03/2024 16:20

The MN poster not MET, just answer the question asked earlier by them on this thread.

I watched the video pp posted upthread. I'm confused by the Met's response. It wasn't clear to me, but if you have further information, share it.

Karmakamelion · 31/03/2024 16:26

heldinadream · 31/03/2024 16:02

Yes it is. The Hindu usage too.
And also not expected to be seen at a pro-Palestinian march because what would it be signifying?

It's actually originally a Hindu symbol .

Comedycook · 31/03/2024 16:24

It's obscene. I'm just so disgusted this is happening in London in 2024.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 31/03/2024 16:21

Hardly a shocker that a member of the police might hold racist views tbh.

BethDawn · 31/03/2024 16:20

Its absolutely shocking, though not surprising.

A swastika on a pro-Palestinian march has a very clear context. We all know what that is.

The pissing about the bush from that officer was a disgrace.

As is that non-apology from the police a pp posted above.

HawaiiWake · 31/03/2024 16:20

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 16:17

Yes, the context is certainly mystifying to the Met, that's for sure.

The MN poster not MET, just answer the question asked earlier by them on this thread.

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 16:19

hattie43 · 31/03/2024 16:18

If that was part of a far right demo imagine how quickly it'd be removed yet for a Palestinian demo it's ok . Totally wrong .

Absolutely, it shouldn't be used by any group.

hattie43 · 31/03/2024 16:18

If that was part of a far right demo imagine how quickly it'd be removed yet for a Palestinian demo it's ok . Totally wrong .

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 16:17

HawaiiWake · 31/03/2024 16:15

Agree but poster ask where can a swastika be seen and not be justified with negative implications. Therefore it was an answer to their question with quote to give context.

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Yes, the context is certainly mystifying to the Met, that's for sure.

HawaiiWake · 31/03/2024 16:15

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 16:03

I don't think most people view it and note it's pre Nazi sense, do you, @HawaiiWake ?
I think everyone understands what it means nowadays.
Unless the Met police thought it was Hindus and Buddhists parading it?

Agree but poster ask where can a swastika be seen and not be justified with negative implications. Therefore it was an answer to their question with quote to give context.

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 16:14

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 16:11

I don't think that's the OP's point. I think it was probably to start a discussion on the subject (correct me if I'm wrong, OP)

But why address pro Palestinian posters? Why would she think we have the answers anymore than anyone else?

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 16:12

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 31/03/2024 15:59

You do know what a swastika is, don't you? because I do, and I'd certainly expect the police to, but then again it is the Met. Institutional fucking ignorance is their MO.

I do admire the faux ingenuousness of a comment saying that asking for the context of a swastika, of all things, is 'goady,' though.

It is expecting pro Palestinian posters to answer that is goady as I said in my post. Why was her post addressed to pro Palestinian posters and not just posters in general? Why would we know more about it than anyone else?

HawaiiWake · 31/03/2024 16:12

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 31/03/2024 16:00

Isn't the Buddhist swastika the other way around?

Yes, left facing swastika.

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 16:11

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 16:07

Right. Which is why I suggested the poster ask the police rather than addressing a post on mumsnet to random posters who happen to be pro Palestinian. The chances of us being the policeman in the video are slim to none really.

I don't think that's the OP's point. I think it was probably to start a discussion on the subject (correct me if I'm wrong, OP)

Auvergne63 · 31/03/2024 16:08

It isn't illegal ( but should be) to buy and sell Nazi memorabilia in the UK. I find this abhorrent, coming from a country where it is actually illegal. Is the UK government anti semitic for allowing this?
I would like to add that the use of the swastika on a placard is highly offensive to me because 12 millions were murdered by the Nazis, Jewish and non Jewish people.