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Anyone seen the video where the police officer says a swastika is not anti-Semitic at a pro Palestine March?

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 31/03/2024 15:29

I know there are lots of pro-Palestine supporters in this area of the board. If not anti-Semitic then what else is it standing for in this context? Apparently it was drawn on some protestors banners.

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BethDawn · 01/04/2024 09:00

titbumwillypoo · 31/03/2024 20:00

I've not seen any pictures on the news of the offending item so for all we know it was a Buddhist manji. If it had "death to all Jews" written across it then the person should have been arrested and rightly so, but if it was a manji the officer was right about context. It's a dangerous path to try and police symbols when for example such things as The Saint George's have both negative and positive associations.

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Dibilnik · 01/04/2024 08:53

enenenya · 31/03/2024 23:04

What do pro-Palestine supporters have to do with this?
Do you think everyone who supports Palestine thinks that a sawstika is not hateful?

Apparently not!

Dibilnik · 01/04/2024 08:52

Scirocco · 31/03/2024 20:05

It's not an anti-Israel march.

It's a march calling for a ceasefire and an end to this conflict.

So why was a swastika on display, and why did none of the protestors say "Hang on a minute..." ?

If I were taking part in a protest march, I'd want my message to be absolutely clear, and not muddled by lunatics.

Tolerating this is not doing anyone any favours. At the very best, the message is ambiguous. At worst...

greenlettuce · 31/03/2024 23:50

The swastika type symbol is part of Buddhism and Hinduism as far as I know these religions are not part of the Middle East conflict.
There is no excuse for a swastika to be displayed in this protest, in my view it is totally wrong.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 31/03/2024 23:12

enenenya · 31/03/2024 23:04

What do pro-Palestine supporters have to do with this?
Do you think everyone who supports Palestine thinks that a sawstika is not hateful?

I thought it was an interesting talking point. You’re right though, it’s less to do with pro-Palestinian protestors and more to do with the police. I just don’t understand the nonsense they are speaking lately. Swastikas -non antisemitic. Christian gospel singers being told it’s illegal to sing Christian songs publicly. Women being threatened for speaking about single sex spaces and the police quite happy to watch those women being intimidated by balaclava wearing youths. It’s just bizarre to me. All of it.

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Northernsouloldies · 31/03/2024 23:12

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Northernsouloldies · 31/03/2024 23:11

heldinadream · 31/03/2024 16:05

The current level of goady disingenuousness around this stuff is off the fucking scale.
In plain sight. Antisemitism. Do not doubt it.

Of course it was it had no other purpose would the Buddhist link be trotted out of it was a far right match...I don't think so somehow and the reason would be the same to intimidate.

enenenya · 31/03/2024 23:06

LiterallyOnFire · 31/03/2024 22:23

I think we know the answer to that, sadly.

How do you know the answer to this? Have you been part of a march? Seen how pro-Palestinian marchers deal with hatful people?

enenenya · 31/03/2024 23:04

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 31/03/2024 15:29

I know there are lots of pro-Palestine supporters in this area of the board. If not anti-Semitic then what else is it standing for in this context? Apparently it was drawn on some protestors banners.

What do pro-Palestine supporters have to do with this?
Do you think everyone who supports Palestine thinks that a sawstika is not hateful?

friggingno · 31/03/2024 23:02

Sorry if this has been said before. If the police saw a swastika at a far right rally they would know exactly what it means. Does it have different meanings depending on who carries it?

LiterallyOnFire · 31/03/2024 22:23

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 19:38

I went to a Solidarity with Jews march the other day. There was one known Islamophobic personality there and the event organisers immediately made him leave and would not allow him to march with them.

Are the peaceful Pro-Palestine marchers doing the same? Are they calling the police on protesters marching alongside them displaying anti-semitic tropes? Are they making it clear what type of slogans and symbols will not be tolerated at their marches?

I think we know the answer to that, sadly.

LiterallyOnFire · 31/03/2024 22:14

The policeman in question will be disciplined and/or the Met will back away from his stance. I refuse to believe this will stand.

Dulra · 31/03/2024 21:33

Fairy0708 · 31/03/2024 21:08

'I think if your government is aiding and abetting war crimes...'

What do you mean by your government? I'm Jewish, born in the UK. Does this mean that antisemitism 'should be out on the streets' in London, because as far as I am aware, London is not in Israel.

Oh and by the way, you keep quoting that the OP shouldn't have written on a thread for pro palestinians, but the thread is actually regarding the conflict in middle east... What makes you think everyone on these threads are pro palestinian?

What do you mean by your government? I'm Jewish, born in the UK.
I think the poster is referring to the many news articles today which outlines that the UK government lawyers have said that Israel are committing war crimes and the UK governments continued sale of arms to Israel means the UK could be found to be complicit in war crimes.

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 21:30

Fairy0708 · 31/03/2024 21:08

'I think if your government is aiding and abetting war crimes...'

What do you mean by your government? I'm Jewish, born in the UK. Does this mean that antisemitism 'should be out on the streets' in London, because as far as I am aware, London is not in Israel.

Oh and by the way, you keep quoting that the OP shouldn't have written on a thread for pro palestinians, but the thread is actually regarding the conflict in middle east... What makes you think everyone on these threads are pro palestinian?

I mean the British government, the one that has been in the news today accused of aiding and abetting war crimes.

The OP specifically referenced Pro Palestinians.

Fairy0708 · 31/03/2024 21:08

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 19:37

I think if your government is aiding and abetting war crimes as today's reports would suggest people absolutely should be out on the streets. Imagine a world where your government is in breach of International Law as it is looks like the UK government is and nobody could protest about it? Where does that end? People should have a right to hold their government accountable, especially on something as serious as this.

'I think if your government is aiding and abetting war crimes...'

What do you mean by your government? I'm Jewish, born in the UK. Does this mean that antisemitism 'should be out on the streets' in London, because as far as I am aware, London is not in Israel.

Oh and by the way, you keep quoting that the OP shouldn't have written on a thread for pro palestinians, but the thread is actually regarding the conflict in middle east... What makes you think everyone on these threads are pro palestinian?

Sussurations · 31/03/2024 20:55

titbumwillypoo · 31/03/2024 20:40

Ok, if you are going to assume meanings attributed to symbols, what should a policeman do to someone waving an Israeli flag at a "pro-Palestine" march? It could be argued that to many there it is the symbol of an oppressive regime who are breaking international law. Would that be seen as inciting hatred? It's dangerous to try and police symbols as the only thing we will gain is more division.

Let me ask you a question. In what context do you think a swastika was displayed at a pro-Palestine march?

kasstherito · 31/03/2024 20:50

titbumwillypoo · 31/03/2024 20:40

Ok, if you are going to assume meanings attributed to symbols, what should a policeman do to someone waving an Israeli flag at a "pro-Palestine" march? It could be argued that to many there it is the symbol of an oppressive regime who are breaking international law. Would that be seen as inciting hatred? It's dangerous to try and police symbols as the only thing we will gain is more division.

Are yoy comparing the Israeli flag to a swastika now?

titbumwillypoo · 31/03/2024 20:40

Ok, if you are going to assume meanings attributed to symbols, what should a policeman do to someone waving an Israeli flag at a "pro-Palestine" march? It could be argued that to many there it is the symbol of an oppressive regime who are breaking international law. Would that be seen as inciting hatred? It's dangerous to try and police symbols as the only thing we will gain is more division.

Sussurations · 31/03/2024 20:16

musthorse · 31/03/2024 20:12

That policeman was a grade A twat. He showed himself up by continuing to drink a takeaway coffee, swirl it about in the cup and looking at it as opposed to looking the woman in the face! I hope he gets reprimanded for his condescending behaviour. A pro Palestinian rally with a nazi symbol says only one thing and I think that it is a disgrace that these things are allowed in Britain today.

Yes, his attitude and body language did indeed make him appear to be a condescending pillock. I imagine the poor woman felt like she was in some kind of parallel universe. Imagine hearing a police officer tell you that you might have misunderstood the context of a swastika at pro-Palestine march!

musthorse · 31/03/2024 20:15

@Anywherebuthere you need your read your history books if you think what is happening is the same as in Germany.

Comedycook · 31/03/2024 20:15

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 20:03

Come on. You really think it's even remotely likely that a Swastika at an Anti-Israel march was a Buddhist Manji?

This is so ludicrous it's almost funny.

The anti-Semitism on this board could not be more thinly veiled. Make a bit more of an effort, please.

I know. It's so transparent. I despair

kasstherito · 31/03/2024 20:13

titbumwillypoo · 31/03/2024 20:00

I've not seen any pictures on the news of the offending item so for all we know it was a Buddhist manji. If it had "death to all Jews" written across it then the person should have been arrested and rightly so, but if it was a manji the officer was right about context. It's a dangerous path to try and police symbols when for example such things as The Saint George's have both negative and positive associations.

Pull the other one.

musthorse · 31/03/2024 20:12

That policeman was a grade A twat. He showed himself up by continuing to drink a takeaway coffee, swirl it about in the cup and looking at it as opposed to looking the woman in the face! I hope he gets reprimanded for his condescending behaviour. A pro Palestinian rally with a nazi symbol says only one thing and I think that it is a disgrace that these things are allowed in Britain today.

Scirocco · 31/03/2024 20:05

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 20:03

Come on. You really think it's even remotely likely that a Swastika at an Anti-Israel march was a Buddhist Manji?

This is so ludicrous it's almost funny.

The anti-Semitism on this board could not be more thinly veiled. Make a bit more of an effort, please.

It's not an anti-Israel march.

It's a march calling for a ceasefire and an end to this conflict.

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 20:04

Laikalaika · 31/03/2024 20:01

Firstly, the police are clearly not doing their jobs.

Secondly, the protest organisers should also have a responsibility to make it clear what isn't and isn't acceptable at their marches, as they have done very well at the Marches against Anti-Semitism. If this has become impossible to manage because the march has become uncontrollably overrun with anti-Semites, they should have the decency to cancel the marches.

So why not look for the police to do their jobs rather than try and silence people who have a problem with their government breaking International law and aiding and abetting war crimes?

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