Anyone seen the video where the police officer says a swastika is not anti-Semitic at a pro Palestine March?

Comparing the situation in Gaza with the holocaust is seen as a form of holocaust inversion. There are many interesting articles online about the issue.

Because it means that the area from the River and the sea should be Palestine. E.g. the destruction of Israel.

Bringing the holocaust into this discussion is something I find deeply offensive. You can discuss what is happening without referencing it.

Has anyone seen confirmation as to whether the alleged Nazi type of swastika was held by a person on the Pro-Palestinian side or the Pro-Israeli side? I ask because I have seen placards saying Hamas are Nazis with the Nazi swastika behind the red ban symbol drawn over it. 🚭 like this no smoking sign.

The London police all seem to be afraid of the Palestinian protesters so stand by and they fo what they like. Only a few weeks ago the very offensive quote from the rivers to the seas was projected on a public building. The police did nothing to stop it happening.

There is no such thing as “the swastika” as if there were only one swastika with one meaning in existence. It is a fair question to ask which swastika was on the placard?

It wasn’t allowed to go on? The person had already been arrested when the woman was doing the video. The police can’t be the court magistrate and decide innocent or guilty.

Peace?

Just because Nazis’ appropriated Indian symbology, reversed it and rotated it 45 degrees, doesn’t mean the original Buddhist swastika (which means well-being and all that is good) is now also a symbol of hate.

Many people can’t tell the difference in the symbols. If it were the original swastika, it’s not anti-Semitic. If it’s the Nazi corrupted, stolen, reversed and rotated swastika, then it is anti-Semitic.

They are more different from each other than a b is from a d.

No - I’m definitely not saying it’s an accepted practice. But even one swastika turns a peaceful March for a ceasefire into something that looks anti Israeli

There is quite a big difference between the Nazis swazstika and the Israeli flag. The Nazis killed 6million jews, gypsies and other minority groups, set up concentration camps to carry out their extermination of an entire race.

I do have some sympathy with the police in that managing large public demonstrations and keeping order can be sensitive and complex . CCTV can be used to track down people who have caused an offence with banners etc at a later date - as I think happened here? Maybe the police on the ground have to focus on any actual physical threats in the moment.

You say that like it's an accepted practice rather than something which is clearly unacceptable.

But can you understand why the use of swastikas mean that it looks like an anti Israel march?

Are you saying that about people calling for ceasefires?

@Scirocco Are you saying that there is nothing traumatised about IDF soldiers? That the events of 7 October are unlikely to have touched them personally in any way?

Traumatised people being the ones with the guns, shooting people. Filming themselves laughing, joking and celebrating their actions.

Not the people being shot. Or the people who have had their loved ones killed.

But in this case, you think it's fine to speculate on the tens of thousands of people demonstrating and calling for a ceasefire, based on a less than 5 minutes long video that doesn't feature them.

@Scirocco No, I've said it's unkind to speculate on the motivations and actions of traumatised people in intolerable circumstances. That it not the case here.

And how do you know that people protesting hadn't been the ones reporting the offensive sign previously? The Met's statement says the individual had already been arrested in relation to a public order offence. The video shows a short discussion between one group of people and a police officer, not the entirety of the police's engagement with individuals at the march. It does not provide evidence of what has happened elsewhere.

You've previously said it seems unfair and unkind to speculate on the motivations and actions of people based on their own social media posts, photos and footage of them. In fact, you were extremely critical of people doing so... Why is it ok, then, for you to speculate on the motivations and actions of other people based on a video on social media that they aren't even in?

No, @titbumwillypoo - it's an Israeli, showing their national allegiance, but also showing Netanyahu bathed in blood. Why would that be antisemitic?
I am encouraged to see all the protests in Israel against Netanyahu. There is a huge strength of feeling against him and his policies.

Is this antisemitic?

It stretches all credulity to believe people at a pro-palastinian march were displaying a swaztika because they are Buddhists.

I think it’s perfectly possible to support the Palastinians without being antisemitic. But not if you are waving a swaztika around.

For contrast, this pub lost it’s award for having a swaztika armband. It was a spoil of war to celebrate defeating the Nazis. Not a police matter. But shows how confused we are as a society.

We are deep into George Orwell territory now.