Anyone seen the video where the police officer says a swastika is not anti-Semitic at a pro Palestine March?

I don't think the UK government and activity and vocally supporting the Chinese government in their persecution of the Uyghurs though are they.

No it would not be ok. No one should be projecting propaganda onto our public buildings. The police should be stopping it not just standing by getting paid to do nothing.

Plenty has been said and done

https://uhrp.org/responses/

I don't think he was saying that displaying a swastika isn't anti-semitic (which of course it is) – he was saying that it isn't necessarily illegal (which it isn't), but it might be under the Public Order act and that's what they have to work under. (And was, in fact, the legislation they used to arrest the person she was talking about as per the Met's clarification.)

Whether displaying a swastika should in and of itself be illegal is a different debate.

How would some posters here feel if I said that the vast majority of pro Israeli government protestors were Islamophobic? Would you accept it? Would you think it is a valid point? Of course not and neither do because it is simply untrue.

@Comedycook pretty low and insensitive to use other people's tragedies, death and suffering to make some kind of point against marchers in London.

They aren't as high profile and should be, but as has been pointed out to you before the UK are not actively complicit in them so they are unlikely to generate a protest march in the UK but people can support the agencies that are providing humanitarian support to the people impacted. I am not sure on the aid agencies in the UK but in Ireland you can donate to Concern, WFP, UNHCR, UCICEF and many others

There likely won't be a peep. Which is tragic. Innocent people around the world have faced and are facing horrendous persecution. I really hope that, if nothing else, the current situation is causing a few more people to become aware of and motivated to act in relation to the less publicised horrors going on in the world today. There have been people at events who genuinely haven't had a clue about situations in China or Haiti or Sudan, and who have been shocked to learn about them.

14 million facing famine in Yemen....again, what's that I hear, the deafening sound of silence.

A million Uyghur Muslims detained in china and a possible genocide of them....what's that I hear? No, not a peep.

But there have been marches. People here were talking about how they attended pro Israel marches and there were many 1000s people there. Did you question them about why they care so much? Now that you know that these marches have happened are you wondering why people care? Surely you are wondering why do 1000s of British people care about this terror attack, do they march about other terror attacks? Terror attacks happen every day of the week are they out marching for those?

Well we are obviously very different people because I find it chilling that someone cannot understand why others would be motivated to protest at their government for supporting the atrocities they are seeing daily coming out of Gaza and the only conclusion they can come to is because it is Israel.
There isn't as many marches in Ireland because our government has called out Israel and is supporting the current case for genocide, the marches continue in the UK because the UK government still support Israel despite their own legal advisors suggesting it could make them complicit in war crimes

But hundreds of thousands of people are not marching every weekend in London about the hostages.

What I find strange about this argument is I've never once seen anyone question why people care about the victims of the Hamas terrorist attack. I've never once seen people say well did you care as much about x random attack here or y random attack there? Why is it just accepted that Israeli deaths are to be mourned, to be spoken about, to be remembered but there just has to be some kind of ulterior motive if people care about the deaths of over 10,000 innocent Palestinian children.

Oh here we go...I never said the images weren't shocking or a reaction to them being shocking is dramatic. That's without doubt. I'm saying you calling my post chilling was dramatic. There's nothing chilling in what I said. Yes the pictures coming out are shocking....but there are terrible images from across the world that do not illicit this sort of mass protesting.

Very dramatic it is a dramatic and heartbreaking situation so it's a pretty reasonable emotion to have. Maybe you're not the type of person who demonstrates against injustices but many others are and suggesting their only motivation is anti semitism is offensive and also an attempt to minimise and distract from what's happening.

Of course there are other conflicts ongoing there always is but the UK and US governments are not actively supporting them. As for Yemen and Sudan, aid agencies are actively working in those regions getting humanitarian aid and support to the people which I and many others are actively contributing to, are you? I am also working with a Sudanese community and helping them with fundraisers and supporting their integration into the community I work in.

I think many people are motivated by their own anti semitism...but its actually often quite sub conscious.

Anti semitism is like racism and islamophobia....very very few people who are these things actually admit it to others or even to themselves. They dress it up in many other ways. These are ugly words and ugly concepts. I doubt many of the anti semetic people on the march actually say to themselves I really hate Jewish people ergo I'm going to march. It's a hatred that lies under the surface and when it has a chance it jumps out to say, see I told you so, that's what they're like.

You know it's like the Rotherham grooming gangs. The racists and islamophobes love it because they then get the chance to say, see I told you what they're like

In regards to the actual topic of the thread, to display a swastika on a march is clearly anti-semitic and there is no excuse or other explanation for it.

Very dramatic...there's nothing chilling in what I said. There's currently millions displaced in Sudan and a famine. There's a famine in Yemen. There are dreadful images from many many places in the world. Yet so many are so focused on this particular conflict.

@Comedycook although I have personal links over the years I have met many people from all walks of life who are raising awareness to the plight of the Palestinians. Everyone has their own story on what first brought their attention to it. Whether it was the murder of American activist Rachel Corrie who was bulldozed to death by the IDF. Or the murder of the Journalist Shireen Abu Akleh whose mourners were even attacked at her funeral, or the horrific killing of the Palestinian children who were playing on the beach etc etc. For many this is a conflict that has been ongoing for their entire lifetime not something new.
Whilst there may be some whose motivation may be anti-semitism, I don't think its right and actually quite offensive to say that for the majority the drive is anti-semitism.
Also this conflict is one that has been ongoing for the entire lifetime of many people, not something new or recent.

A huge motivator for many is the fact that Israel is a Jewish state.
Absolutely not. A huge motivator is seeing the horrific images coming out of Gaza daily of innocent civilians, thousands of which are children, getting killed, maimed, displaced and starved. It is irrelevant to the vast majority of protesters who are behind the atrocities they just want them to stop and they want the UK government to stop being complicit in war crimes and potentially genocide by selling arms to kill innocent civilians.

would not be out there marching if the conflict was between the Palestinians and another Muslim country/government
if the UK were supporting it in some way you most likely would. I was living in London when over one million people marched to stop the UK going to war with Iraq.

I find it quite telling that the only reason you think people would march in their tens of thousands in opposition to the conflict is because Israel is a Jewish state. Thankfully there is a huge cohort of people who care about their fellow human beings and don't want to see them murdered, starved and their homeland obliterated in this way. I find it quite chilling that you would not understand that motivation.

But you can’t pretend that the laser like focus of some protesters on the atrocities being committed by Israel while not protesting at all against those committed by Russian or North Korea is entirely accidental. Not in all cases - I think some protesters are acting in good faith, but for some I do think it boils down to good ole fashioned anti Semitism.
I agree with this. No doubt about it but to claim that the majority of protestors are anti semitic, as some posters do is wrong and offensive.

I agree. I feel quite strongly that the vast majority of protesters (not all obviously ) we see would not be out there marching if the conflict was between the Palestinians and another Muslim country/government. A huge motivator for many is the fact that Israel is a Jewish state. It also gives them a chance to pick a side...it's like a football match to them. Sad.

@Auvergne63 Not at all - you’re very welcome to campaign and protest on behalf of whatever country you choose.

But you can’t pretend that the laser like focus of some protesters on the atrocities being committed by Israel while not protesting at all against those committed by Russian or North Korea is entirely accidental. Not in all cases - I think some protesters are acting in good faith, but for some I do think it boils down to good ole fashioned anti Semitism.

Why when it is Israel that is the ‘baddie’ is it so much easier to galvanise the left into these mass protests?

The question I want the answer to is why the ‘pro Palestinian people’ (as in those protesters who have no family, friends or connections with Palestine) are so laser focused on Palestine, and not elsewhere.
So in your views, you can only protest if you have direct connections to a country? I find this difficult to understand this because what links me to others is my humanity. I protested against apartheid in SA and against the Iranian regime (amongst others) but I am not South African/of colour or Iranian/Muslim. Should I have kept quiet in the face of injustice?
I will be called a woke leftie and I am happy to wear that badge.

Expecting pro Palestinian posters to answer for the acts of random people is just goady though. All pro Palestinian people have in common is that they are against the illegal occupation and oppression of Palestinians. That's it.

This is completely disingenuous and missing the full context though. The question I want the answer to is why the ‘pro Palestinian people’ (as in those protesters who have no family, friends or connections with Palestine) are so laser focused on Palestine, and not elsewhere.

What is happening in Gaza is atrocious and unforgivable. However atrocities are also happening in Yemen, Haiti, Russia, North Korea - to name just a few.

To pretend that it’s just a complete coincidence that the one conflict some people choose to focus on is the one which involves protesting against the only Jewish state in the world is at best naive, at worst disingenuous.

In a weird way I almost admire the honesty of the people with the swastika posters. At least they are open about being anti Semitic.