Christians in Jerusalem

In the middle east
We had Jewish
Then Christians
Then Muslims.

The area is now predominantly Muslim, with Jewish people mainly in Israel and a small number of Christians who are mistreated widely in the Middle East. Its a big concern. Its worthy of considering all Christians ✝️

Why do posters persist on deflecting, time and time again?
This thread is about what Christians are experiencing now in Jerusalem, at the hands of extremists.
It isn't ignoring their plights in other countries; it is about sticking to the subject of the thread, as per the rules.
Feel free to start a new thread but I wager, you won't.

My point exactly.

Not relevant though although far worse treatment 🙄

Don't sweep under the rug but also show the mistreatment of Christians all over the middle east, by death and imprisonment in some countries too.

You are indeed sweeping the mistreatment in other countries under the rug! It appears so since the ONLY focus us Israel. Surely ALL mistreatment is wrong? Surely you can agree to that? Or not? I won't hold my breath🙄

Who is brushing them under the carpet? Noone. What is there to say that is not in the report you posted?? What do you want?

Saying 'they happen elsewhere as well' is bizarre because it suggests equivalence.
The incidents in Israel, bad as they are, are not in any way comparable to the legal sanctions, persecution, torture, imprisonment, and murder on a large scale elsewhere.

Spitting.....

Wow I'm more concerned about those being killed or locked up in middle east countries for merely being a Christian !

But Spitting isn't OK either

Oh my.

Wow. But it's not relevant you know. It's a non story, unless anti Israel. Bizarre really. Fake concerns for Christians in Israel whilst no concerns fir Christians generally in other adjacent countries 🙄 wonder why

Imprisoned for up to 15 years these days.

Now, that's what I call barbaric.

The persecution of Christians by the Islamic State involves the systematic mass murder of Christian minorities, within the regions of Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Mozambique and Nigeria controlled by the Islamic extremist group Islamic State.

Pretty awful treatment of Christians wouldn't you say. 😕

Nothing to see there though. Not worthy of comment unless it's in Israel.

A bit of a theme going really

How are Christians treated in Israel?

Meanwhile, "Christians are persecuted widely across the Arab and Islamic world. Christian communities have played a vital role in the Middle East." But who cares 🤔 mot unless anti Israel otherwise its a non story 🙄

It's not illegal to be a Christian in Jerusalem.

Meanwhile in Iran "For Christians who convert from Islam, not even the veneer of tolerance is present. Conversion from Islam to Christianity is illegal in Iran, and anyone caught as a convert can be arrested and imprisoned. The government views conversion as an attempt by the West to undermine Islam and the Islamic government of Iran."

Naturally you are more worried about Christians in Israel 🙄

I've no idea who called Palestinian babies terrorists. I didn't.

However, as always keep on bashing Israel but don't bash other countries. There isn't an appetite to bash Iran Iraq yeman Syria Lebanon and hence no threads bashing them 🙄 only Israel bashing. Perhaps that's why people do stand with the democracy in the middle east.

Is anything in the report really 'barbaric'? Unacceptable and distressing, but barbaric? The report is not about 'Israel' it is about the actions of a small number of people in Israel.

I think 'not safe any more' is an exaggeration. Not as safe, certainly, and that is obviously bad, and distressing. But nobody in Israel, the WB or Gaza is as safe as they were before 7 October.

The report you cite talks about international condemnation of the incidents that have occurred.

it says 'It is crucial to
emphasize that harassing behaviors are not
normative, and the majority of individuals,
irrespective of their views on Christianity or
other religious do not partake in such actions'.

They say 'The targeting of Christianity is not, on the whole, explicitly encouraged by the political leadership or the Israeli authorities' but the rise of the religious extremist tendencies among some sections of society & authorities is having an impact.

The report talks about recording of incidents, which is important, recommends training & cross denominational work to protect religiuous minorities, which looks positive and entirely in keeping with what you would expect.

I dont know what else you want us to say?

Thank you for the acknowledgement, it seems it's too painful for some to even read the words that Israel might be capable of being barbaric. And I'm not saying for one second that christians are being treated brilliantly anywhere (although I absolutely contest one poster saying christians are the most persecuted group in history) but this is a thread about them in Jerusalem, and we all know they are under occupation., which is having a disastrous effect.

Noone has said you cant acknowledge Jewish extremists' harassment of Christians. The link I posted upthread included references to exactly that.
However If the only thing we are allowed to talk about is Jewish mistreatment of Christians even though as the Rossing Report indicates the numbers of incidents are pretty small compared to the terrible persecution, torture and imprisonment & murder of Christians elsewhere in the region (including instances in Gaza), then you do wonder about the motivation of the thread.
Is it motivated by a concern for all christians, or only those who are harassed by Jewish people?

I don't have any problem talking about other countries, why don't you make a thread? This thread is specifically about Jerusalem.
And this is a genuine question, but why does the "jew bashing" get brought into every thread when Israel's actions are brought up? I would totally understand it if people were arguing that "the jews did..." when of course that doesn't apply. I do note that one of the posters who made this accusation was happy enough to call Palestinian babies terrorists.

See here @merry .... only mistreatment on a place in Israel.... not allowed to discuss other places 😂😂 typical

Same old people and same old same old 😴

We tried to include other countries upthread but apparently only anti Israel and not about treatment in Iran, Lebanon, Syria, yeman etc etc

This is the conflict board, and if you read the link they are complaining about religious extremists making their lives very difficult. They didn't mention who, but I think we got the jist from the context. Or are we not allowed to acknowledge that there are jewish extremists, like in any other religion? Edited: The thread is specifically about christians in Jerusalem, we've had a reminder about that, it isn't about the middle east in general.

Whilst this level of anti Jewish bashing is rife, whilst ignoring the ills of other countries in the middle east .... it makes me and many others continue to support Israel.

Imagine feeling the need to ignore Iran, Syria, Yeman, Lebanon, Iraq, and all their problems and yet bash Israel all the time.... speaks volumes.