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Christians in Jerusalem

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EasterIssland · 19/03/2024 16:59

found this in Twitter today about the current situation of Christians in Jerusalem (West bank and East Jerusalem) and the struggles they’re going through

https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/christians-in-holy-land-desperate-over-lack-of-work-and-upsurge-in-religious-hatred

The situation for Christians is especially desperate as most of them work in the tourism sector, which has been at a standstill since the conflict began.

The source told ACN that for Christians “wearing a cross can get you into trouble.
“Sometimes you have to hide your identity in your own homeland to avoid problems.
“The presence in the area of groups with increasingly radical elements makes our situation even more difficult.”

Christians in Holy Land 'desperate' over lack of work and upsurge in religious hatred - Premier Christian News | Headlines, Breaking News, Comment & Analysis

Christians in the Holy Land are struggling to put food on the table and pay their household bills as increasing conflict and tension plunge the region into unprecedented crisis. That’s according to th

https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/christians-in-holy-land-desperate-over-lack-of-work-and-upsurge-in-religious-hatred

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Limesodaagain · 11/10/2024 23:27

The Christian church in the Middle East exists in a state of tension between Islam and Judaism. It doesn’t want to be drawn into a conflict and would rather help broker a solution …

Christian Palestinians will always be Palestinians ( even if they are despised by both Hamas and extremist Israelis) .

ScrollingLeaves · 11/10/2024 18:05

EasterIssland · 11/10/2024 16:58

You’re understanding that right regarding suspending the plan after the backlash

That’s good. It all sounds a bit under threat though.

EasterIssland · 11/10/2024 16:58

ScrollingLeaves · 11/10/2024 16:54

Am I right in understanding from the last sentence that, after public backlash, Netanyahu suspended the plan meaning the taxes won’t be demanded after all?

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They say their funds go to services that benefit the state, like schools, hospitals and homes for the elderly.

You’re understanding that right regarding suspending the plan after the backlash

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ScrollingLeaves · 11/10/2024 16:54

EasterIssland · 11/10/2024 15:36

This appeared in the Spanish news today despite its from June 2024

Churches protest Israel’s demand they pay property tax, say it’s undoing status quo

https://www.timesofisrael.com/churches-protest-israeli-demands-to-pay-property-taxes-say-its-upsetting-status-quo/

Am I right in understanding from the last sentence that, after public backlash, Netanyahu suspended the plan meaning the taxes won’t be demanded after all?

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They say their funds go to services that benefit the state, like schools, hospitals and homes for the elderly.

EasterIssland · 11/10/2024 15:36

This appeared in the Spanish news today despite its from June 2024

Churches protest Israel’s demand they pay property tax, say it’s undoing status quo

https://www.timesofisrael.com/churches-protest-israeli-demands-to-pay-property-taxes-say-its-upsetting-status-quo/

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EasterIssland · 11/10/2024 07:46

1dayatatime · 10/10/2024 20:25

Well at least Christians in Jerusalem are not subject to being captured and sold into slavery as they are in Sudan:

csi-usa.org/slavery/

Are you suggesting that women in the uk can’t complain about I.e sexual harassment because at the end of the day in Afghanistan things would be worse? Yes I know my example is whataboutery. Same as yours. You’re normalising and minimising what this family has gone through in belem rather than condemning it.

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ScrollingLeaves · 10/10/2024 22:55

1dayatatime · 10/10/2024 20:25

Well at least Christians in Jerusalem are not subject to being captured and sold into slavery as they are in Sudan:

csi-usa.org/slavery/

Yes it is a great blessing that the Palestinian Christians in Israel are not being sold into slavery like they are in Sudan. They should remember their place, below the thieving extremist Israeli nationalist, racist settlers aided by Smotrich and the IDF, and be grateful only their land has been stolen.

1dayatatime · 10/10/2024 20:25

Well at least Christians in Jerusalem are not subject to being captured and sold into slavery as they are in Sudan:

csi-usa.org/slavery/

ScrollingLeaves · 10/10/2024 19:01

Smotrich noted that this settlement is one of five the government approved two months ago in the West Bank in response to alleged Palestinian Authority (PA) measures against Israel and unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state by Western countries.

That evil, trouble making, law breaking Kahanist again. The one pulling Netanyahu along by his nose.

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ScrollingLeaves · 27/09/2024 12:12

I too ended up learning a great deal on this thread from all the different contributions and then trying to find out more.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 27/09/2024 11:22

SharonEllis · 27/09/2024 08:30

My first post was about Christians in Israel (including in the link I posted) as well as other parts of the region. There was lots of interesting discussion in other posts - I learnt a lot. Maybe you'd like to contribute something on the subject?

Indeed.
I've learnt from others contributions about the treatment of Christians both in Israel and in the wider Middle East.

Thank you to people who contributed.

SharonEllis · 27/09/2024 08:30

headstone · 27/09/2024 07:57

Rubbish, If you were in any way interested in Christian suffering in Muslim countries you would have started your own thread on it instead of trying to turn this discussion away from what you don’t want people talking about.

My first post was about Christians in Israel (including in the link I posted) as well as other parts of the region. There was lots of interesting discussion in other posts - I learnt a lot. Maybe you'd like to contribute something on the subject?

headstone · 27/09/2024 07:57

Rubbish, If you were in any way interested in Christian suffering in Muslim countries you would have started your own thread on it instead of trying to turn this discussion away from what you don’t want people talking about.

SharonEllis · 27/09/2024 07:50

SharonEllis · 27/09/2024 07:49

Nobody is justifying the destruction of a people. Everyone is discussing the treatment of Christians in the region.

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Apart from those who only want to discuss the management of the thread.

SharonEllis · 27/09/2024 07:49

headstone · 27/09/2024 07:18

Following this thread with interest. It appears you cannot discuss Christian persecution in the holy land without discussing their persecution everywhere else in the world and hence diluting the thread so much it becomes a meaningless discussion on what the actual focus is on. So does that mean only Muslim suffering in this area should be discussed? Even Muslim suffering is swiftly dismissed various techniques. There are agendas at play here. How else can a destruction of a people be justified.

Nobody is justifying the destruction of a people. Everyone is discussing the treatment of Christians in the region.

headstone · 27/09/2024 07:18

Following this thread with interest. It appears you cannot discuss Christian persecution in the holy land without discussing their persecution everywhere else in the world and hence diluting the thread so much it becomes a meaningless discussion on what the actual focus is on. So does that mean only Muslim suffering in this area should be discussed? Even Muslim suffering is swiftly dismissed various techniques. There are agendas at play here. How else can a destruction of a people be justified.

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/09/2024 03:21

Limesodaagain · 23/09/2024 16:05

Apologies, I see you've made your final post on this thread.Thanks

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/09/2024 03:02

Limesodaagain · 23/09/2024 05:33

Funny that you say that - because I think you’re trying to silence me …

Huh? How am I trying to silence you?

The OP started a thread about the persecution of Israeli Christians. You want to talk about the persecution of Christians elsewhere in the world so I invited you to start your own thread about it, and stop derailing this one.

Christian persecution differs from country to country. This thread is about what's happening in Israel under Netanyahu's RW government. You want to talk about persecution in Iran or Gaza or Saudi? I say go for it.

That is not "silencing".Hmm

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 26/09/2024 22:08

At first I thought this would be about the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem! I am surprised by all the different ways the thread has gone. Speaking as a Christian, yes, Jerusalem is special. In my faith, Christ is uniquely the Son of God. Each of us has a personal relationship to Him. God doesn't come to earth a lot like in some other religions. He also isn't impersonal. He's someone who loves us enough to die for us. He chose Jerusalem to die in as it is a city of prophets. His resurrection is our promise of eternal life. You don't have to believe this, but this Person who loved and suffered is the heart of Christianity. So Jerusalem isn't comparable to any other old holy place. And some Christians in the Holy Land are descended from people who knew Him. Let's forget the religion part of it. Let's just think about how a person makes a place special. Like you might care about the Brontës in Haworth or whatever. Focusing on Israel in this context is not about bashing the modern state of Israel. It's just incredibly upsetting if His followers are not safe in His chosen earthly home. No single Abrahamic religion has the right to define the holiness of the Holy Land, regardless of the modern political conflicts.

Limesodaagain · 23/09/2024 16:05

I leave this as my final contribution
acnuk.org/news/holy-land-when-the-wounds-are-still-bleeding-it-is-not-the-time-to-speak-of-politics-cardinal/

Limesodaagain · 23/09/2024 13:30

Silence1 · 23/09/2024 10:56

Indeed as they are currently dying - killed by sniper fire or rockets. 11 have died due to untreated chronic conditions because of Israel's siege on Gaza and that was the figure in Feb this year. "Collateral damage" of course
Aid to the Church in Need | HOLY LAND: 30 Christians dead in Gaza since war started (acnuk.org)

This conflict has caused terrible suffering for innocent civilians on all sides. I am sure we are all in agreement that we want it to end.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/09/2024 11:21

Re: back to Christians in Jerusalem this +972 article July 2023,

in spite of its headlines, is detailed and comprehensive imo, covering not only the difficulties for Christians from Israeli settlers, but also difficulties for Christians from Muslims, difficulties experienced by Jews from Christians historically, and modern difficulties for Jews resulting from fear of proselytising, fundamentalist, Christian Zionist movement factions from abroad.

Though I posted it before, that was a few pages ago, so if anyone is interested here it is:
https://www.972mag.com/jerusalem-christians-future-israel/

YoYoYoYo12345 · 23/09/2024 07:39

They really are at risk throughout the region

"Many leaders fear that if trends are not reversed, the indigenous Christian population in Gaza could become extinct".

Such a very small number left there