IDF fixation with looting Palestinian women’s underwear

What the IDF are doing is in global terms horrifically and disturbingly normal.

It's an attempted method of humiliating a whole people, by flaunting their women as sexual beings. It's particularly degrading for people where standards of modesty are upheld. I heard Nurit Peled-Alhannan speak about this. She was saying that in Israeli textbooks Palestinians are only referred to as Arabs, and wholly within the context of them being out to get them. They aren't humans, they are not capable of feeling anything other than anger (towards them), they cannot experience joy/pain/excitement/happiness. They "breed" just to produce more 'Arabs' to wipe them out of existence. She works with Breaking the Silence and she said that soldiers initially do many of these humiliating acts, simply because they were raised to believe they are not human.

And another one

Another idf member that has nothing better to do

World's most moral army being moral again.

This is the new thing. I was asked yesterday if I was going to be called to appear at the ICJ because I think my opinion is so important. There are some bizarre statements around here lately.

@Dulra "I am engaging in a debate"

I'm glad you have the time - I have to go to work because feeding my family is more important than a conflict 2,000 miles away that I can't influence. 🙂

I didn't say it wasn't true, I said it was minimising and I think dismissive of the current IDF conduct if you bring it up in the context of, oh well it is fine all soldiers do it. It is not fine and it is never ok in any conflict situation and people like you who think it is part and parcel of conflict without calling it out as despicable the more normalised it has an will continue to become.

Things won’t change because you can’t accept them. You are not that important. Pretty bizarre statement not sure where I claimed to be important and not sure where I said I thought anything would change, I am engaging in a debate

@Dulra "Nearly every thread you seem hell bent on minimising something by saying all soldiers do that, it is part of war and so on."

Because it's true, some soldiers behave badly.

Not 'minimising' - true.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying it's true.

Things won’t change because you can’t accept them. You are not that important.

I doubt a woman who is a victim of a sexual assault would want revenge sought through degrading other women (possibly dead women) in this way

Nearly every thread you seem hell bent on minimising something by saying all soldiers do that, it is part of war and so on. We are talking about this particular conflict, the fact that it may have happened by other soldiers elsewhere is irrelevant. I remember the outrage when UK soldiers were exposed for their degrading treatment of Iraqi prisoners and the publics outcry in Britain and disgust with it. Maybe if the same disgust by the Israeli public was shown to these soldiers it wouldn't be so bad but its not they likely get pats on the back for it and that is the difference.

Don't they?

How about the Rohingya Muslims, The Kurds in Iraq, Christians in Pakistan, Buddist monks by Muslims in India, Seikhs by Muslims, Copts, Druze, the Dogon people.

Just because these inhumanities aren't splashed over our TV screen every night doesn't mean they aren't happening.

Yes, I was referring to the long-running constant campaign of harassment and humiliation by the IDF against Palestinians. Other countries don't do that.

Because that's what soldiers of all countries are taught to do with regard their particular "enemy".
I don't know why you are surprised by this?

Otherwise most "normal"' people wouldn't want to kill anyone.

All this shows is that the training has worked.

And even in UK we have one sad individual...

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/7110584.soldier-stole-underwear-barracks/

It seems the Russians are at it as well,

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tv05qs/russian_looters_wanted_to_bring_stolen_underwear/?rdt=39062

Yeah, but it’s not Hamas underwear, is it? It belongs to innocent Palestinian women who Israel has decided are going to pay the price, along with all the other innocent civilians. Israel has become a nation of Barbarians, when they could have been a force for morality and integrity in the world.

Try again - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4161852/turkish-soldiers-forced-syrians-to-wear-womens-neon-underwear-and-lashed-them-in-humiliating-beatings-after-fleeing-across-border/

It seems that soldiers having an interest in women's underwear isn't new

hesun.co.uk/news/4161852/turkish-soldiers-forced-syrians-to-wear-womens-neon-underwear-and-lashed-them-in-humiliating-beatings-after-fleeing-across-border/

Sometimes you have to find humour in something horrendous. 25 years as a paramedic taught me that. It helps prevent PTSD. I'm not saying it's right or wrong.

You're not discussing the content of the photo or the topic of the thread. You're just saying something about Hamas propaganda without presenting any evidence.

Not sure how talking about the photos on a thread about the photos can possibly be considered derailing, but I guess you can just go ahead and enjoy your little echo chamber.

Well the poster has no idea whether it's genuine or not. And as usual when any photos criticising the IDF are posted here you're derailing by querying the veracity of the photos. Even if one is fake, which you've presented no evidence for, the others are accepted to be real so why not discuss the subject of the thread instead of the mock horror at a poster for not saying something is false when they have no evidence either way?

The constant derailing is so tedious.