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IDF statement on Aid Convoy Stampede

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Yellowducksandrakes · 01/03/2024 16:17

What’s happened: Following the death of dozens of Palestinians after a stampede broke out around an aid convoy west of Gaza City, the US has blocked an Algerian-sponsored statement at the United Nations Security Council which sought to blame Israel.

  • While reports conflict, it appears that:
  • Before dawn yesterday morning, approximately 30 trucks containing aid entered the Gaza Strip to deliver food to the Rimal neighbourhood of Gaza City.
  • At approximately 4.40 AM, thousands of Gazans swarmed the trucks. Drone footage of the event shows some of the trucks attempting to drive through the crowds, presumably in an effort to extract themselves and deliver the aid they were carrying.
  • After a number of trucks were able to continue north, armed men opened fire on what remained of the convoy.
  • While the IDF has admitted that its troops did open fire, it says that this was only “when they encountered danger, when the mob moved toward it in a manner that endangered the force”.
  • The IDF also says that it “did not fire toward individuals seeking aid and we did not fire toward the humanitarian convoy from the ground nor from the air.”
  • It is being reported that at least 112 Gazans were killed in this incident, with approximately 760 being injured. However, as these figures originate from within the Hamas-run Palestinian Ministry of Health, their veracity is questionable.
  • The IDF’s initial inquiry into the incident has concluded its troops’ fire killed only 7 or 8 people and that the majority were killed in the chaos, not by shooting.
  • “The tanks were there to provide security for the trucks. Our aircraft gave the troops on the ground a full picture from above,” the IDF said.
  • “When the hundreds turned into thousands, the IDF complied with international law… Israel did not limit the quantity of humanitarian aid entering Gaza. We recognize the suffering of the Gaza residents.”
  • In the aftermath of this event, much of the international community has reiterated calls for an immediate ceasefire and increased aid being allowed into the Gaza Strip.
  • At the United Nations Security Council, Algeria sought to issue a statement which explicitly blamed Israel for this deadly incident. While supported by 14 out of 15 council members, it was blocked by the US.
  • When asked why the US had not supported this statement, Deputy Ambassador to the United Nations Robert Wood said: “We don’t have all the facts on the ground – that’s the problem.”
  • He also said that in the face of contradictory reports, the US was trying to establish facts, including regarding the “circumstances around how people died”.
  • President Biden has also discussed this incident with Qatari Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. According to a White House statement, they agreed that it “underscored the urgency of bringing negotiations to a close as soon as possible”.
  • The White House has also called for this event to be “thoroughly investigated”.
Context: Israel will conduct a thorough investigation into an incident which further highlights the complexity of distributing aid to the Gazan people and the urgent necessity of forming a civilian infrastructure to prevent further incidents of this kind.
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Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 10:05

@Efacsen "Yesterday people in Gaza City reported being too frightened to approach aid convoys for fear of being shot by the IDF "

reported to whom ?

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Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 10:04

@Dulra "so I am unsure why you need to post all these clips from facebook and youtube in response to my post about people being killed trying to get aid?"

It does appear that some people have been killed when trying to collect aid.

What isn't clear is who's actually collecting/looting the aid and who's doing the shooting.

"the IDF do not have a proper handle on the situation and people are dying as a result"
Unless you are privy to the IDF's operational plans you can't claim that.

One piece of good news you might like to hear-

Ahead of any potential ground incursion into Rafah, the IDF recently carried out a precise targeted strike, killing Muhammad Abu Hasna, the head of Hamas’ Operations Unit in the Rafah area.
According to the IDF spokesperson’s office, “Hasna was a combat support operative in Hamas’ military wing. He was also involved in taking control of humanitarian aid and distributing it to Hamas terrorists.
Furthermore, Hasna coordinated the activities of various Hamas units, as well as communicated with and activated Hamas field operatives. Hasna was also responsible for an intelligence operations room which provides information on IDF positions for use in Hamas attacks.”

Hopefully, now there should be fewer raids by Hamas on Aid deliveries.

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Efacsen · 15/03/2024 08:52

@Dulra and I'd add to your list Israel's main ally the Biden administration - it's not a fringe partisan opinion

Yesterday people in Gaza City reported being too frightened to approach aid convoys for fear of being shot by the IDF - as if they haven't got enough to deal with

Dulra · 15/03/2024 08:42

@Yellowducksandrakes What are you trying to achieve here? I am listening to mainstream news, I am listening to the UN, EU, ICJ, WHO, Red Cross, Medicins San Frontier and their reports on what is happening and their reports about people starving, and the death toll of babies that have already starved to death. No one with any brain would think delivering aid to a starving desperate population in a war zone isn't chaotic, isn't difficult will sometimes be exploited and get into the wrongs hands so I am unsure why you need to post all these clips from facebook and youtube in response to my post about people being killed trying to get aid?
The fact remains people trying to get access to aid are being killed and injured, the IDF do not have a proper handle on the situation and people are dying as a result

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Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 08:26

Dulra · 15/03/2024 07:23

English reporter on Irish news just talking about it now he says people looking for aid are getting killed pretty much every day now demonstrating how chaotic the distribution and situation is

https://www.facebook.com/xALLAHx/videos/1193960531577109

This is the shameful truth behind the AID crisis

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Scirocco · 15/03/2024 07:34

EasterIssland · 13/03/2024 21:33

Israel now quietly admits it bombed 2 starved Gazan civilians by “mistake” after proudly posting the moment they were bombed & claiming they were “terrorists with an RPG”

https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1767947872824181044

@EasterIssland it's an easy mistake to make, I suppose. No, wait, it kind of isn't.

IDF statement on Aid Convoy Stampede
IDF statement on Aid Convoy Stampede
Dulra · 15/03/2024 07:23

EasterIssland · 15/03/2024 07:06

Unsure whether it’s the same location but just read 260 were killed and injured yesterday whilst waiting for aid

English reporter on Irish news just talking about it now he says people looking for aid are getting killed pretty much every day now demonstrating how chaotic the distribution and situation is

Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 07:16

EasterIssland · 15/03/2024 06:44

  1. I don’t care about IDF excuses
  2. I care about IDF actions.

this thread afik is about idf actions when when providing aid. Apologies if it’s not.

"I don’t care about IDF excuses
I care about IDF actions."

So as far as your concerned anything the IDF says is just an 'excuse' ?

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EasterIssland · 15/03/2024 07:06

EasterIssland · 14/03/2024 21:49

And one more time it’s happened

Unsure whether it’s the same location but just read 260 were killed and injured yesterday whilst waiting for aid

EasterIssland · 15/03/2024 06:44

Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 05:33

So why are you engaging if you think it's so awful ??

  1. I don’t care about IDF excuses
  2. I care about IDF actions.

this thread afik is about idf actions when when providing aid. Apologies if it’s not.

Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 05:33

EasterIssland · 08/03/2024 18:19

Sounds like the script you opened the thread with to be honest.

So why are you engaging if you think it's so awful ??

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EasterIssland · 14/03/2024 21:49

And one more time it’s happened

IDF statement on Aid Convoy Stampede
EasterIssland · 13/03/2024 21:33

Israel now quietly admits it bombed 2 starved Gazan civilians by “mistake” after proudly posting the moment they were bombed & claiming they were “terrorists with an RPG”

https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1767947872824181044

IDF statement on Aid Convoy Stampede
stomachamelon · 11/03/2024 17:47

Behind a paywall. Interesting article and may make groups like standing together think twice.

IDF statement on Aid Convoy Stampede
EasterIssland · 08/03/2024 18:19

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Sounds like the script you opened the thread with to be honest.

Yellowducksandrakes · 08/03/2024 18:18

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Limesodaagain · 08/03/2024 17:44

Scirocco · 08/03/2024 10:43

I saw some footage of that briefly. I couldn't watch it. Today's a hard day.

I’m so sorry. You are doing a brilliant job of advocating for Palestine on here. Look after yourself because if you become overwhelmed with the pain of everything you won’t be able to support others. ( I hope that doesn’t seem patronising but i know what burn out means so do look after yourself)

Scirocco · 08/03/2024 10:43

I saw some footage of that briefly. I couldn't watch it. Today's a hard day.

EasterIssland · 08/03/2024 07:03

Seems like it might have happened again

IDF statement on Aid Convoy Stampede
10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 08/03/2024 02:27

NATO ammunition was used in the Flour Massacre.

twitter.com/SohiubN/status/1765240179936071996

EasterIssland · 07/03/2024 23:32

Hope this is not true : Israelis mock Palestinian child Yazan Kafarna

https://www.albawaba.net/node/pigol-another-planet-israelis-mock-palestinian-child-yazan-kafarna-1556359?utm_content=cmp-true

SpryAmberSeal · 07/03/2024 22:46

Yellowducksandrakes · 07/03/2024 22:36

@SpryAmberSeal "Bearing in mind that under International humanitarian law it is Israels responsibility as an occupier to ensure the safety of civilians and their right to basic services."

Israel does not occupy Gaza. They pulled out in 2005.

Even Hamas admits that -

https://www.hudson.org/foreign-policy/gaza-not-occupied-says-hamas-so-where-is-the-un-

Have you any thoughts on this?

Also do you think it is just a coincidence that the Israeli minister for defence said in October I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. And now people are starving to death and health services are all but closed?