This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 2)

You can find it yourself @Alstreena.

I agree - the thread is moving away from the initial OP. Feel free to start a separate thread about Yemen or Sudan @Alstreena so you can raise awareness of the atrocities happening there.

Yep on and on and on

One poster is being very successful at derailing this thread.

No.

Where is the rest of the quote for context?

Yemen. Is that simple enough?

@Mags48 It would be helpful if you posted the origin of the quote so I could have some context.

This " Not really, she's trying to use the existence of that conflict to say that people are bigoted for talking about a different conflict. "

Means nothing to me in isolation.

The British Government is funding the Saudis so that they can bomb 7 bells of shit out of Yemen in an attempt to remove the Houthis.
(I have already documented the carnage that has ensued.)
The Houthis, as you are aware, are a terrorist group bank-rolled by Iran that have deposed the legal government in Yemen.

Now, it appears that the Saudis are not being very effective as the Houthis are still there after 10 years and are now attacking International shipping.

So. are you going to protest outside the Saudi Embassy or lobby the UK government to stop sales to Saudi ?

Thanks. So , I am critising the British government because they’re selling arms to a country that are using them to kill citizens. I’m not happy with it. I can’t influence what is happening in Gaza.but I can influence the British government to stop selling arms to Israel.

it’s not that I don’t care about Burmese people , it’s that the British governments behaviour on this war is the one I would expect from it.

OK, so I'll repost.
Sigh.

"However, to answer your question :

UK arms sales to Saudi Arabia totalled £1.1 billion in 2022
Arms to Israel totalled 42 million in the same time period.

As far as I am aware UK is not supplying arms to any other conflicts bar Ukraine/Russia."

Is that OK now?

No of course not. That’s why I’m completely lost with your comments.

I apologise if you don’t understand what I was agreeing with @Alstreena I think it’s quite clear though? I don’t know what you mean by word salad - it is plain English.

I really can't fathom out this word salad.

(And I'd rather people didn't talk about me as if I'm not here.)

Was my response of 23.14 yesterday not clear to you?

“Not really, she's trying to use the existence of that conflict to say that people are bigoted for talking about a different conflict. I suspect Yemen only matters to some people when they can try to use it in attempts to shutdown other conversations.”

This.

im Getting lost with you.
in your first comment you say we only care about our governments behaviour regarding Gaza is because Israel is a Jewish country. That we don’t care about several other conflicts and you mention a list of countries.

i ask you how many weapons does our government sale to THOSE countries.

you reply with how much British government sells to Saudi Arabia which as you say it’s not in a war.

you’ve not answered any part of my question. How much does British government sale to Yemen , Myanmar , Ethiopia or South Sudan.

i myself can’t influence in what is happening In Gaza. But I can influence in my government. If my government is selling arms to Israel then I can criticise it if I’m not happy. It’s not because it’s a Jewish country. It’s because my taxes are being used to kill other citizens and I’m not happy with it.

so I’m going to ask you again how many weapons does the British government sell to those countries you’ve mentioned. If none , then your initial comment was whataboutery and trying to call many of us antisemitic and to be honest that card has been used too many times So we are inmune to it.

But @Alstreena is saying that those of us that protest against the atrocities in Gaza must also be protesting against other global atrocities. We can’t protest for one country, it must be all. Other wise it is selective empathy.

Why?

No. The poster is highlighting outrage at selective empathy and using Yemen as an example. I’ve pointed out that this is a common tactic often used online to deflect from the atrocities happening in Gaza.

”stop being upset about x unless you have a history of being upset about y z”.

@EasterIssland "saudi Arabia is not in that list."

There isn't a war in Saudi Arabia !

"so again I’ll ask you do you know how many billion in arms does uk sell to the countries you’ve mentioned ?"

Which part of your question haven't I answered?

First of all @Alstreena this was your initial comment

Strangely enough, I don't see the same levels of outrage about the conflicts in Yemen, Myanmar, Ethiopia and South Sudan.

saudi Arabia is not in that list.

2nd of all this was my previous comment

Many citizens around the world are speaking up about not being happy with their governments behaviour about this conflict"

and I said I’m disappointed with the British government because they’re selling arms to Israel. But you’re trying to make it in antisemitic because I don’t care about other conflicts.

so again I’ll ask you do you know how many billion in arms does uk sell to the countries you’ve mentioned ?

I don't think @Alstreena is professing to being an activist though is she? Apologies if I missed that part. I'm unclear as to what your point is exactly?

Yeah, so ... whataboutery is not activism but, well, whataboutery! The question is fair!

(For the record: I have never, personally, been engaged in any Yemen-related activism - I most certainly have on a wide variety of issues apart from Palestine! But, no: if someone said to me about my climate activism "yeah so: coal plants are bad - but before you keep on complaining: what about diesel fuelled cargo ships?" I would absolutely not regard this as any sort of activism for more a more sustainable model of cargo transportation!)

Not really, she's trying to use the existence of that conflict to say that people are bigoted for talking about a different conflict. I suspect Yemen only matters to some people when they can try to use it in attempts to shutdown other conversations.

What has been happening in Yemen during the war there has been terrible. A person would be entirely justified in starting a thread, raising awareness, etc. And it is entirely possible for people to care about that as well as about the Israel-Gaza conflict.

There are a number of factors why the Yemen conflict might not be getting the same level of publicity just now as the Israel-Gaza conflict.

Newness is a factor that's very relevant in news coverage. It's horrible to think, but as humans we get used to things pretty quickly. When Russia first invaded Ukraine (which is a very big deal!), it was all over the news, every broadcaster had a live page, updates and articles constantly appearing. Now, it often isn't in the headlines at all. Because news media want clicks and purchases, and people want novelty. The situation in Yemen started in 2014. While there are still articles published, it's no longer got the newness that draws people in and it's complicated by a decade of fighting, wrongs and ethical quandaries. In contrast, the Israel-Gaza conflict is still pretty new.

Technology and social media is another front in this battle in a way that it wasn't in Yemen in 2014. Both Israelis and Palestinians are often highly technologically literate, having grown up with the internet and social media - there are things that can be communicated online now that just weren't feasible 10 years ago. So, people around the world can now see the actions of soldiers, the struggles faced by people trying to stay alive, the bodies of the dead, in a way that just didn't happen 10 years ago.

Well in fairness isn't that exactly what @Alstreena is doing here? She IS actively raising awareness by entering into a discussion about it and bringing it into the spotlight.

The news about Yemen depends on where you look. Anti War activists have been protesting against the Saudi led Western back Imperialist attack on the Yemen for years.

Why is not widely known? Well Saudi Arabia is "our" friend, so we look the other way (whilst making sweet sweet profits from weapons sales - no mention of deaths there!). They also invest heavily in the UK.

Saudi Arabia was worried about Iran's influence in the region and used that as a justification to intervene in Yemen.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/18/the-saudis-couldnt-do-it-without-us-the-uks-true-role-in-yemens-deadly-war

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/uk-yemen-civil-war-arms-sales-saudi-arabia

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/20/uk-government-yemen-war-saudi-arabia-westminster

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/27/soldier-backed-over-whitehall-protest-against-yemen-war

Right so the people who are so appalled by what Hamas have done that they think Israel are doing the right thing, and are obsessed with letting us know that are also 'no Jews, no news' because they obviously aren't appalled by what is happening elsewhere either? So you are saying everybody that talks about this, governments, media are all what? Obsessed with Jews? The UK, the US, Germany, The Daily Mail, The Guardian, Biden, Cameron, you clearly since you are here all just have a weird obsession with Jews? That sounds like a mega conspiracy theory tbh.