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Scirocco · 13/04/2024 00:02

@Parkingt111 I wondered if it could be partly related to the security threat from Iran? If the IDF are preparing to defend against a suspected imminent attack, that could reduce resources and heighten scrutiny? I don't know though.

Parkingt111 · 12/04/2024 21:12

None of the UN's aid missions to the north of Gaza was allowed to take place today. Each one was denied access. Does anyone know why? The north is still suffering the most right now

https://twitter.com/ochaopt/status/1778805225253487069?t=1iPVDXBSS_WfltNspHMKWw&s=19

https://twitter.com/ochaopt/status/1778805225253487069?s=19&t=1iPVDXBSS_WfltNspHMKWw

ScrollingLeaves · 12/04/2024 18:31

Scirocco · 12/04/2024 16:28

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68796689

This is what is happening to children in Gaza.

From that article, referring to the grounds around the hospital:

"Now there is a huge and spreading cemetery so that the graves of the newly dead are now displacing the shelters of the barely-living," he said.

What a dreadful sort of equation.

ScrollingLeaves · 12/04/2024 14:37

Sorry, that link didn’t work but anyone can read that Haaretz article on Archive ph.

ScrollingLeaves · 12/04/2024 14:36

Efacsen · 12/04/2024 08:01

Can't open the Haaretz link [a me problem not the link] but assume it's the same piece I read by an anti-Netanyahu opposition Knesset politician - hence the inflammatory headline

You can find this article on archive ph
I am trying a link from what I just read, but if it doesn’t work, you can put the headline into archive ph.
<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2024.04.11-220659/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-11/ty-article-magazine/.premium/saying-what-cant-be-said-israel-has-been-defeated-a-total-defeat/0000018e-cdab-dba9-a78e-efef6ba10000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2024.04.11-220659/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-11/ty-article-magazine/.premium/saying-what-cant-be-said-israel-has-been-defeated-a-total-defeat/0000018e-cdab-dba9-a78e-efef6ba10000

I am not quite sure what to make of it, as I am not sure what the Israel government hopes winning would be like.

Efacsen · 12/04/2024 10:41

UN have visited Khan Younis

OCHA say assessment by UN team in Khan Younis found 'widespread destruction' and 'unexploded 1,000 pound bombs'

''Street and public spaces in Khan Younis are littered with unexploded ordnance posing a severe risk to civilians, especially for children. Our team found unexploded 1,000 pound bombs lying on the main intersection and inside schools.

Residents who returned to the area, and some who remained during the fighting, told the team about the dire shortages of food and water and the loss of critical health services due to the destruction of the al-Nasser and al-Amal hospital.”

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Efacsen · 12/04/2024 08:04

Thanks for posting that article @Mags48 the maps alone are worth looking at

Efacsen · 12/04/2024 08:01

Can't open the Haaretz link [a me problem not the link] but assume it's the same piece I read by an anti-Netanyahu opposition Knesset politician - hence the inflammatory headline

Scirocco · 12/04/2024 07:46

That's one heck of a headline from Haaretz.

EasterIssland · 12/04/2024 06:29

Thanks @Efacsen and @Scirocco this is from the thread I’m referring to

“It has been reported by US media that Hamas does not have 40 living hostages who fit the criteria needed for an exchange under a proposed ceasefire deal”.

so I wasn’t trying to be hurtful to anyone. I was mainly referring to this (which is actually from a newspaper).

anyway. Will there be a ceasefire? Hopefully one soon and hopefully a permanent one

SpiderPlantBaby · 12/04/2024 02:42

Efacsen · 12/04/2024 02:19

Now that you are clear about @EasterIssland 's intentions you might consider apologising to her rather than taking further offence

Apologise? What on earth are you on about? My post referred to the use of language and being mindful that we don't dehumanize people caught up in this conflict. Words used carelessly cause offense.@Scirocco explained that the poster in question used English as a second language. Unfortunately I don't have the gift of psychic powers, so wouldn't know that. I hope that's clear enough for you. I'll take your apology though for trying to spin it.

Efacsen · 12/04/2024 02:19

SpiderPlantBaby · 12/04/2024 02:03

Excuse me? Please don't speak to me in that manner .

Now that you are clear about @EasterIssland 's intentions you might consider apologising to her rather than taking further offence

SpiderPlantBaby · 12/04/2024 02:05

Scirocco · 12/04/2024 01:27

@SpiderPlantBaby I'm sure @EasterIssland would not have intended to come across as dispassionate or to cause hurt. English isn't her first language - sometimes it can be really hard to get nuance across in a second or third language.

Thank you for clarifying

SpiderPlantBaby · 12/04/2024 02:03

Efacsen · 12/04/2024 01:22

Hey @SpiderPlantBaby maybe quit schooling @EasterIssland on her phrasing - English isn't her first language it's quite clear what she meant and that she wasn't being unkind or disrespectful

Excuse me? Please don't speak to me in that manner .

Scirocco · 12/04/2024 01:27

@SpiderPlantBaby I'm sure @EasterIssland would not have intended to come across as dispassionate or to cause hurt. English isn't her first language - sometimes it can be really hard to get nuance across in a second or third language.

Efacsen · 12/04/2024 01:22

SpiderPlantBaby · 11/04/2024 23:15

I'm sure you didn't mean any offence, but please be careful with your words. Let's not forget that these " alive hostages " waiting to be " exchanged " are very much still real people with families who are crying everyday over their absence. They are not just political pawns or players in a " deal ", so to be described in such dispassionate terms is very hurtful.

Hey @SpiderPlantBaby maybe quit schooling @EasterIssland on her phrasing - English isn't her first language it's quite clear what she meant and that she wasn't being unkind or disrespectful

EasterIssland · 11/04/2024 23:25

SpiderPlantBaby · 11/04/2024 23:15

I'm sure you didn't mean any offence, but please be careful with your words. Let's not forget that these " alive hostages " waiting to be " exchanged " are very much still real people with families who are crying everyday over their absence. They are not just political pawns or players in a " deal ", so to be described in such dispassionate terms is very hurtful.

No of course I didn’t want to offend anyone. The info I’ve written In there about the hostages is from the hostages thread if anyone wants to know info about it.

SpiderPlantBaby · 11/04/2024 23:15

EasterIssland · 11/04/2024 22:33

There were rumours of one coming soon.
yesterday several relatives of one of Hamas members were killed and Hamas has said this wouldn’t stop them seeking the ceasefire.
however, I was just reading the hostages thread and apparently Hamas has said they might not have as many alive hostages to exchange which is one of the reasons for a ceasefire so unsure how would that affect the deals.

I'm sure you didn't mean any offence, but please be careful with your words. Let's not forget that these " alive hostages " waiting to be " exchanged " are very much still real people with families who are crying everyday over their absence. They are not just political pawns or players in a " deal ", so to be described in such dispassionate terms is very hurtful.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 11/04/2024 22:34

Mags48 · 11/04/2024 22:11

This looks like a horror film. My brain can’t process the images we are seeing. It is absolutely devastating that this has been not only allowed to happen but cheered on.

this has been not only allowed to happen but cheered on

I keep on thinking about Shakespeare recently. Specifically, about Julius Caesar. Even more specifically about that one famous monologue by Marc Anthony!

"Friends, Britons, countrymen (and women - because this is 2024, not ancient Rome; never even mind "Ancient Rome, as imagined by a Renaissance playwright") [...] but Israel is a democracy!"

... and yet, in terms of the rhetorical tactics employed, it reminds me so much of right now!

EasterIssland · 11/04/2024 22:33

TheABC · 11/04/2024 22:27

Does anyone know if we are closer to a ceasefire? None of this can be fixed until we can get aid in and some stability.

There were rumours of one coming soon.
yesterday several relatives of one of Hamas members were killed and Hamas has said this wouldn’t stop them seeking the ceasefire.
however, I was just reading the hostages thread and apparently Hamas has said they might not have as many alive hostages to exchange which is one of the reasons for a ceasefire so unsure how would that affect the deals.

TheABC · 11/04/2024 22:27

Does anyone know if we are closer to a ceasefire? None of this can be fixed until we can get aid in and some stability.