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Parkingt111 · 08/03/2024 12:37

This is terrible if true. How did it happen?? I think @Efacsen mentioned that air drops could be dangerous for this reason
Did the parachute malfunction? Apparently 5 killed and many others injured

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/palestinian-reports-5-gazans-killed-when-hit-by-airdropped-us-aid-packages/

anotherlevel · 08/03/2024 12:32

@Parkingt111 I don't know, he's saying some things that are right but he doesn't come across as genuine to me.

Parkingt111 · 08/03/2024 12:29

This was part of Biden's speech last night

"To the leadership of Israel I say this: Humanitarian assistance cannot be a secondary consideration or a bargaining chip," he said.
"Nearly two million more Palestinians under bombardment or displacement, homes destroyed, neighbourhoods in rubble, cities in ruin. Families out of food, water, medicine. It's heartbreaking."

Scirocco · 08/03/2024 12:10

I particularly like how the officer moving the wheelchair compassionately walks away after she falls out of it.

anotherlevel · 08/03/2024 11:11

A peaceful protest led to a disabled woman in a wheelchair being moved by a police officer and causing her to fall off.

www.instagram.com/reel/C4LoOphoatu/?igsh=NmRkdmZuaXlwcGJo

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 08/03/2024 10:38

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 10:21

@10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne I saw a figure of 15 billion just to re-build housing a while ago which didn't seem very much to me [no expert] and there's been more destruction since then - and doesn't include hospitals, health centres, schools, universities, mosques, civic buildings, roads, disposal of rubble etc etc

The 'oil rich Gulf states' who usually contribute very generously to the repeated re-building of Gaza have said that they won't do it again this time unless they are involved in the 'peace process' and a 2 state solution happens - obviously Israel has had said no this

Israel has no money for re-building anything - even if it's economy wasn't wrecked it would never agree

It's good that they refused. Maybe it would be an incentive for Israel to get the two state solution underway once this war/genocide and the rebuilding starts to hurt Israel in the wallet.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 08/03/2024 10:33

anotherlevel · 08/03/2024 10:25

@Efacsen Israel has no money for re-building anything

Israel should have thought about that before bombing and destroying everything in Gaza really.

Agreed.

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 10:28

anotherlevel · 08/03/2024 10:25

@Efacsen Israel has no money for re-building anything

Israel should have thought about that before bombing and destroying everything in Gaza really.

But Hamas made them destroy Gaza - doncha know

anotherlevel · 08/03/2024 10:25

@Efacsen Israel has no money for re-building anything

Israel should have thought about that before bombing and destroying everything in Gaza really.

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 10:21

@10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne I saw a figure of 15 billion just to re-build housing a while ago which didn't seem very much to me [no expert] and there's been more destruction since then - and doesn't include hospitals, health centres, schools, universities, mosques, civic buildings, roads, disposal of rubble etc etc

The 'oil rich Gulf states' who usually contribute very generously to the repeated re-building of Gaza have said that they won't do it again this time unless they are involved in the 'peace process' and a 2 state solution happens - obviously Israel has had said no this

Israel has no money for re-building anything - even if it's economy wasn't wrecked it would never agree

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 08/03/2024 09:56

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 08:37

Ha! It'll be pin money! US citizens will be proud

Wait til you see the bill that's presented for re-building Gaza!

I know it's going to be astronomical. I would like Israel to foot the bill and not the UN like the other times. Unlikely, but one can dream.

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 09:11

@EasterIssland of course no problem

EasterIssland · 08/03/2024 09:06

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 08:52

Article about some of the problems with the US plan

Briefly

Israeli government will still be involved and can be obstructive

Timescale - too long for people starving now

What will happen to the aid once it arrives - who will distribute it? Who will protect it from looting? Where are the lorries to take it to where it's needed? etc

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/07/gaza-floating-port-aid-palestinians-impact

Thanks! I’ve opened a thread about this topic so will post it there if that’s alright

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 09:04

Exciting facts about Mulberry harbours with picture

https://www.ice.org.uk/what-is-civil-engineering/what-do-civil-engineers-do/mulberry-harbours

BelleHathor · 08/03/2024 08:59

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 08/03/2024 08:18

Why can't Israel pay for it? It's their genocide.

Technically they will, in terms of reputational damage.

If this goes ahead it's America publicly distancing themselves from Israel, which allows more countries to do so.
Also would the IDF dare to bomb American ships again? Like the USS Liberty incident (https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v19/d284)

Foreign Relations of the United States, 1964–1968, Volume XIX, Arab-Israeli Crisis and War, 1967 - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v19/d284

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 08:52

Article about some of the problems with the US plan

Briefly

Israeli government will still be involved and can be obstructive

Timescale - too long for people starving now

What will happen to the aid once it arrives - who will distribute it? Who will protect it from looting? Where are the lorries to take it to where it's needed? etc

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/07/gaza-floating-port-aid-palestinians-impact

‘Who is going to distribute it?’: the key flaw in US’s plan to build aid port in Gaza

‘You need drivers, trucks and a distribution system that doesn’t exist,’ says president of Refugees International aid advocacy group

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/07/gaza-floating-port-aid-palestinians-impact

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 08:37

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 08/03/2024 08:18

Why can't Israel pay for it? It's their genocide.

Ha! It'll be pin money! US citizens will be proud

Wait til you see the bill that's presented for re-building Gaza!

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 08/03/2024 08:18

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 08:08

Biden gave a few more details of the proposed port the US intends to build in Gaza in yesterdays State of the Union address

It's going to be sited at Rimal near Port Gaza the only deep-water port in Gaza [destroyed by IDF some years ago] so will be suitable for large deep draught vessels

It's now being described as a 'temporary floating Mulberry harbour' and will be built by US forces marine engineers

It's going to take 'several weeks' to build and will be paid for by the US tax-payers

Why can't Israel pay for it? It's their genocide.

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 08:18

Can't find any nice pictures of Mulberry harbours - they were used in WW11 mainly in France - so most are just ruins now

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 08:08

Biden gave a few more details of the proposed port the US intends to build in Gaza in yesterdays State of the Union address

It's going to be sited at Rimal near Port Gaza the only deep-water port in Gaza [destroyed by IDF some years ago] so will be suitable for large deep draught vessels

It's now being described as a 'temporary floating Mulberry harbour' and will be built by US forces marine engineers

It's going to take 'several weeks' to build and will be paid for by the US tax-payers

Kosenrufugirl · 08/03/2024 05:07

We need to talk about it, thank you for posting

inkworks273 · 08/03/2024 05:01

x.com/resist_05/status/1765877133099086212?s=46

"You don’t murder over 15,000 children, bomb over 300,000 houses, destroy hundreds of schools and universities, ruin ever single mosque and church, destroy every single hospital, attack refugee camps in safe zones, displace millions and get to say it’s a “PLAUSIBLE GENOCIDE”…

THIS IS A GENOCIDE"

Are we to believe that Hamas was in every single one of those buildings?

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 08/03/2024 02:31

A father and son found executed. They were wearing the white jumpsuits that the IDF make the prisoners wear. Graphic images.

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1765855778659799242

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1765855778659799242

TokyoSushi · 07/03/2024 22:21

A COGAT spokesman seemed to say that they would happily get tonnes of aid into Gaza if the Israeli government would open the borders, but they won't open them...

Parkingt111 · 07/03/2024 22:20

Parkingt111 · 07/03/2024 22:07

@Efacsen yes I saw that. It might not be 100% true but there's no smoke without fire, I also read (unconfirmed reports) in the times of Israel that the US may seek to enforce that US weapons are not used in any assault on Rafah.

Yes I agree.