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TokyoSushi · 09/03/2024 19:23

Ramadan seemed like ages away, and now no progress has been made, and it's tomorrow. I really fear for what's going to happen Sad

SpryAmberSeal · 09/03/2024 19:20

ConnieCounter · 09/03/2024 19:09

This is near Jenin, so not Gaza obviously. IDF kidnapping (I assume they'd call it "arresting") a 7 year old child. Hard to watch.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4TdxMptpdS/?igsh=MTcwbTd4aXhzbTh5aQ==

That's dreadful. There is no reason at all that the army of an occupier should be dragging a child away. It's even more dreadful when you know how they treat the children once they have abducted them from their homes.

Littlebowiepeep · 09/03/2024 19:19

ConnieCounter · 09/03/2024 19:15

Your beliefs, ideology or whatever you want to call it.

My eyes work though.

And you're trying to tell us an IDF soldier shot a man with 4 bullets and there isn't a drop of blood to be seen.

And I have a bridge I can sell you...

ConnieCounter · 09/03/2024 19:15

Littlebowiepeep · 09/03/2024 19:10

"You're so far in it "

What on earth does that mean?

Your beliefs, ideology or whatever you want to call it.

Littlebowiepeep · 09/03/2024 19:14

ConnieCounter · 09/03/2024 19:09

This is near Jenin, so not Gaza obviously. IDF kidnapping (I assume they'd call it "arresting") a 7 year old child. Hard to watch.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4TdxMptpdS/?igsh=MTcwbTd4aXhzbTh5aQ==

"Hard to watch" ?? You got that right !

The clip is on the slosh and you can't see what the people are doing because they are behind a vehicle and too far away.

Too silly for words.

Littlebowiepeep · 09/03/2024 19:10

ConnieCounter · 09/03/2024 19:07

You're so far in it you literally won't even believe your own eyes anymore. Fascinating.

"You're so far in it "

What on earth does that mean?

ConnieCounter · 09/03/2024 19:09

This is near Jenin, so not Gaza obviously. IDF kidnapping (I assume they'd call it "arresting") a 7 year old child. Hard to watch.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4TdxMptpdS/?igsh=MTcwbTd4aXhzbTh5aQ==

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4TdxMptpdS?igsh=MTcwbTd4aXhzbTh5aQ%3D%3D

ConnieCounter · 09/03/2024 19:07

Littlebowiepeep · 09/03/2024 17:38

There is no proof in that video as to how the man was killed.

If the soldier had shot him with 4 bullets there would be much blood.

The bullets are 0.22"/0.5 cm and apparently make quite a mess at close range.

I would say the footage has been edited/spliced

So I call BS on this one.

You're so far in it you literally won't even believe your own eyes anymore. Fascinating.

Littlebowiepeep · 09/03/2024 17:38

EasterIssland · 09/03/2024 14:56

Another video post killing fhe elderly man where the idf members are happy about their behaviour
https://twitter.com/thecradlemedia/status/1766448161453658212?s=46

There is no proof in that video as to how the man was killed.

If the soldier had shot him with 4 bullets there would be much blood.

The bullets are 0.22"/0.5 cm and apparently make quite a mess at close range.

I would say the footage has been edited/spliced

So I call BS on this one.

BelleHathor · 09/03/2024 16:44

Scirocco · 09/03/2024 15:06

Tomorrow is the start of Ramadhan. That's why it's being threatened for tomorrow. To cause maximum pain for the global Muslim community.

Thank you, I can no longer understand our so called leaders motivations anymore.

Efacsen · 09/03/2024 15:16

Scirocco · 09/03/2024 15:06

Tomorrow is the start of Ramadhan. That's why it's being threatened for tomorrow. To cause maximum pain for the global Muslim community.

Also the threat of the invasion was being held off until Ramadan to make time for the hostage-ceasefire negotiations - time has marched steadily on and suddenly it seems Ramadan is tomorrow

Sad

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Scirocco · 09/03/2024 15:06

BelleHathor · 09/03/2024 14:32

The Oscars are broadcast tomorrow.
The last big assault on Rafah happened during the Super Bowl broadcast. So people are bracing themselves for another assault whilst the American public is distracted.

Tomorrow is the start of Ramadhan. That's why it's being threatened for tomorrow. To cause maximum pain for the global Muslim community.

EasterIssland · 09/03/2024 14:56

Another video post killing fhe elderly man where the idf members are happy about their behaviour
https://twitter.com/thecradlemedia/status/1766448161453658212?s=46

BelleHathor · 09/03/2024 14:32

Efacsen · 09/03/2024 13:17

A 12 storey residential building in Rafah home to over 300 people was destroyed overnight by IDF - the building was 500m from the border wall

Concerns that Israel is stepping up attacks on Rafah in preparation for a ground invasion

The Oscars are broadcast tomorrow.
The last big assault on Rafah happened during the Super Bowl broadcast. So people are bracing themselves for another assault whilst the American public is distracted.

Efacsen · 09/03/2024 13:17

A 12 storey residential building in Rafah home to over 300 people was destroyed overnight by IDF - the building was 500m from the border wall

Concerns that Israel is stepping up attacks on Rafah in preparation for a ground invasion

Efacsen · 09/03/2024 13:11

Reports of multiple people injured in Gaza City by air dropped food aid - thankfully do not seem to have been any fatalities today

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ConnieCounter · 09/03/2024 12:28

Rachel757677 · 09/03/2024 12:01

There is always fault on both sides of every conflict. However, Hamas knew what they were doing. They knew such a barbaric assault would lead to the reaction we have seen from Israel. That is why they did it. They knew it would result in the tragic scenes we are witnessing in The Gaza Strip. They did it any way.

Much of what Israel has done I do not or will never agree with. BN is a man I have very little respect for. However, they are surrounded by enemies who's only objective is their complete annihilation.

I don't understand the relevance of your claim that Hamas knew what would happen? So what? Thar doesn't change the the fact that Israel has killed tens of thousands of civilians and is starving most of the population.

Rachel757677 · 09/03/2024 12:01

EasterIssland · 09/03/2024 11:51

Israel had killed civilians few days before the 7/10 attack so I don’t think it was only Hamas fault. I do think both are at fault

There is always fault on both sides of every conflict. However, Hamas knew what they were doing. They knew such a barbaric assault would lead to the reaction we have seen from Israel. That is why they did it. They knew it would result in the tragic scenes we are witnessing in The Gaza Strip. They did it any way.

Much of what Israel has done I do not or will never agree with. BN is a man I have very little respect for. However, they are surrounded by enemies who's only objective is their complete annihilation.

EasterIssland · 09/03/2024 11:51

Rachel757677 · 09/03/2024 11:43

Indeed...... Which is why I clearly stated....... " The latest escalation in this conflict".

Israel had killed civilians few days before the 7/10 attack so I don’t think it was only Hamas fault. I do think both are at fault

Rachel757677 · 09/03/2024 11:43

EasterIssland · 09/03/2024 11:23

Firstly....... It is very important to remember that this didn’t start on 7/10

Indeed...... Which is why I clearly stated....... " The latest escalation in this conflict".

SpryAmberSeal · 09/03/2024 11:35

However, they are not looking to deliberately starve civilians in the same way Hamas deliberately murdered and raped in October. There is a clear distinction for people to see.

So you do think that they are accidently starving people even though they explicitly stated that their plan to starve people. For me, no there isn't a clear distinction between murdering someone with a weapon and murdering them by intentionally starving them death over a period of months. Both result in the horrendous deaths of innocent people. Both are unspeakably cruel.

Tbh I'm not sure how much clearer Israel could have been when they told us what their intentions were back in October. I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. If you choose to believe that it is a coincidence or just accidental that people are starving when Israel explicitly stated that there will be no food there is absolutely no point in discussion.

EasterIssland · 09/03/2024 11:23

Rachel757677 · 09/03/2024 11:20

Firstly....... It is very important to remember who initiated the latest escalation in this tragically long conflict. It was Hamas. They did so with their invasion of Israel and their deliberate killing, raping, and beheading of innocent men, women and children. If you have seen the clips I have you will know that many did this with enjoyment. They did so knowing exactly how Israel would respond. They did so knowing that it would lead to the death of thousands of innocent Palestinians. They did not care, They did it anyway.

I am sure that we all agree that Israel has the right to defend itself and respond to such deliberate acts of murderous barbarity don't we? However, this does not give them carte blanche to break international rules of engagement. They rightfully have the moral high ground, but if they want to keep it they need to be careful about respecting those international rules. I believe there are examples where they have not, and I am not talking about individuals gone rogue. Some may make the point that Hamas does not respect said rules, but that is why they are generally regarded as a terrorists.

Regarding your point about Israels objective in displacing poor innocent Palestinian civilians, a tactic that has led to much suffering. Their objective is clear. By displacing those citizens they believe it will be easier to rout out Hamas who have a long record of using innocent people as human shields. It is not a tactic that I agree with given the huge suffering it causes. However, they are not looking to deliberately starve civilians in the same way Hamas deliberately murdered and raped in October. There is a clear distinction for people to see. However, that distinction means little to the poor people suffering on the ground.

As I said........ The whole thing is dreadful. It is made even more dreadful because I cannot see a solution to it. Many on here talk of a "two state solution" as some kind of cure all, but I do not think it will happen, and even if it did that would not be enough for the jihadists who will settle for nothing less than the complete destruction of the Jewish State of Israel.

There will be ebbs and flows in the violence, but it will continue to be the vicious circle that it has been for so many years. Tragic.

Firstly....... It is very important to remember that this didn’t start on 7/10

Rachel757677 · 09/03/2024 11:20

SpryAmberSeal · 08/03/2024 22:19

Can I ask what you think the objective of deliberately starving 2million people whilst denying them healthcare is? Do you not think that that must cause terror, to see your children slowly fading away before your eyes and not be able to do anything. To send your son out to try and get any aid they can not knowing if they will come back alive or if they will be shot by the Israeli army whilst queuing for food. To have to give birth by c section with no anaesthesia, knowing that you might have to watch your baby starve to death because you are too weak with malnutrition to produce breastmilk.

Bearing in mind the Israeli minister for defence said back in October I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed which leaves no doubt at all that the starvation and closing of healthcare is a very deliberate, planned act on behalf of Israel.

What Hamas did was deliberate and beyond awful but I'm not sure I see the distinction you do between the awful acts that Hamas commited and the awful acts Israel are committing. I would be interested in what you think Israels objective was when they announced they were going to starve people and then followed through and what makes Palestinians 'collateral damage' rather than the innocent victims of a brutal plan like you view Israelis?

Firstly....... It is very important to remember who initiated the latest escalation in this tragically long conflict. It was Hamas. They did so with their invasion of Israel and their deliberate killing, raping, and beheading of innocent men, women and children. If you have seen the clips I have you will know that many did this with enjoyment. They did so knowing exactly how Israel would respond. They did so knowing that it would lead to the death of thousands of innocent Palestinians. They did not care, They did it anyway.

I am sure that we all agree that Israel has the right to defend itself and respond to such deliberate acts of murderous barbarity don't we? However, this does not give them carte blanche to break international rules of engagement. They rightfully have the moral high ground, but if they want to keep it they need to be careful about respecting those international rules. I believe there are examples where they have not, and I am not talking about individuals gone rogue. Some may make the point that Hamas does not respect said rules, but that is why they are generally regarded as a terrorists.

Regarding your point about Israels objective in displacing poor innocent Palestinian civilians, a tactic that has led to much suffering. Their objective is clear. By displacing those citizens they believe it will be easier to rout out Hamas who have a long record of using innocent people as human shields. It is not a tactic that I agree with given the huge suffering it causes. However, they are not looking to deliberately starve civilians in the same way Hamas deliberately murdered and raped in October. There is a clear distinction for people to see. However, that distinction means little to the poor people suffering on the ground.

As I said........ The whole thing is dreadful. It is made even more dreadful because I cannot see a solution to it. Many on here talk of a "two state solution" as some kind of cure all, but I do not think it will happen, and even if it did that would not be enough for the jihadists who will settle for nothing less than the complete destruction of the Jewish State of Israel.

There will be ebbs and flows in the violence, but it will continue to be the vicious circle that it has been for so many years. Tragic.

Efacsen · 09/03/2024 10:33

EasterIssland · 09/03/2024 10:25

Open Arms is a Humanitarian, Non-Governmental, Non-Profit organisation. Our primary mission is to protect the life of the most vulnerable in emergency situations. We originate from a sea rescue company with more than 20 years experience on the Spanish coasts.

They’re are quite famous in Spain. they tend to be in the Mediterranean helping Africans that are trying to cross the border from Africa to Europe.

Thanks for clarifying that @EasterIssland it wasn't clear in what I read hence my unwarranted scepticism

Littlebowiepeep · 09/03/2024 10:28

Silence1 · 09/03/2024 10:19

I can't see the tweet either. Is it related to this. Link to Middle East Eye youtube channel.

Edited

It's rather unclear.

There is no footage of the soldier actually shooting the individual, there just seems to be a (blanked out) body on the floor.

There is no proof the scene of the soldiers talking, is connected with the body (?)