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kirinm · 11/03/2024 08:36

@Littlebowiepeep that's the opposite of what Israel are saying. They'll go in anyway to 'destroy Hamas' never mind who they've decided are Hamas.

kirinm · 11/03/2024 08:34

Efacsen · 11/03/2024 07:34

Hopeful if true

US does not expect imminent invasion of Rafah

The Biden administration does not anticipate the Israeli forces to imminently expand their operations into Rafah, according to two US officials quoted by CNN.

The officials said the administration “has yet to see any kind of humanitarian or evacuation plan from the Israeli government that seeks to ensure the safety of civilians in Rafah before launching a military operation there”.

He expected a ceasefire by last Monday too.

He also said there is no red line, he will never stop funding Isreal which seems to be the case for most of the international community so I can't see what they have to lose. (From Netanyahu's point of view I mean).

anotherlevel · 11/03/2024 08:27

ScrollingLeaves · 11/03/2024 00:21

From Haaretz today:
A video of an IDF soldier saying he shot an unarmed manhiding under a bed during an operation in the Shatti refugee camp was published in Al-Jazeera. In response, the IDF said IDF forces had been operating "in a complex combat area under fire" when "a shot was fired at an unarmed man suspected of being a terrorist and was moving towards the soldier who came to scan the house. The circumstances of the case are clear."

Note that the IDF are not trying to deny this happened. They just assert they didn’t do anything wrong.

An old unarmed man in a bombed out building.

No change there is it. Never accepting responsibility for any of their actions.

Efacsen · 11/03/2024 07:34

Hopeful if true

US does not expect imminent invasion of Rafah

The Biden administration does not anticipate the Israeli forces to imminently expand their operations into Rafah, according to two US officials quoted by CNN.

The officials said the administration “has yet to see any kind of humanitarian or evacuation plan from the Israeli government that seeks to ensure the safety of civilians in Rafah before launching a military operation there”.

Efacsen · 11/03/2024 07:13

COGAT claims that 225 trucks of aid were 'inspected and transferred into Gaza' yesterday

Littlebowiepeep · 11/03/2024 06:24

Efacsen · 10/03/2024 12:00

Completely off topic now

If you want better on the ground news sources maybe lobby the Israeli government to

allow into Gaza independent international journalists
stop killing local journalists

I've got a better idea.

Why don't you lobby Hamas and ask them to release the hostages, then it could be all over by the end of the week?

ScrollingLeaves · 11/03/2024 00:21

From Haaretz today:
A video of an IDF soldier saying he shot an unarmed manhiding under a bed during an operation in the Shatti refugee camp was published in Al-Jazeera. In response, the IDF said IDF forces had been operating "in a complex combat area under fire" when "a shot was fired at an unarmed man suspected of being a terrorist and was moving towards the soldier who came to scan the house. The circumstances of the case are clear."

Note that the IDF are not trying to deny this happened. They just assert they didn’t do anything wrong.

An old unarmed man in a bombed out building.

Parkingt111 · 10/03/2024 22:03

EasterIssland · 10/03/2024 21:12

A very bad start to Ramadan. Police beat with batons praying people at the Al-Aqsa gate before the first Taraweeh prayer.

https://twitter.com/nirhasson/status/1766897831816642941

This makes me so angry

ScrollingLeaves · 10/03/2024 21:25

Littlebowiepeep · 10/03/2024 08:41

The whole point of the IDF wearing Go-Pro cameras is so they can be used in a debrief after the mission is over. (Incidentally I didn't see any on the footage shown)

It seems that this footage concerning a dead man has fallen into the hands of the enemy. The problem with all this, is that the chain of evidence has been broken.

The IDF have no way of knowing if the footage has been 'doctored'.

Another question that needs answering is why the man was in an area where the IDF were operating?

Before the IDF enter an area they do leaflet drops to tell civilians to evacuate. They are also told that if they remain then they will be classed as 'enemy' and could be shot.

Instead of broadcasting this all over the internet the best course of action would have been to leave the equipment where it was for the IDF to collect later.
Then a full investigation could be carried out.

Now that is unlikely to happen.

The IDF have no way of knowing if the footage has been 'doctored'

Yes, of course they do. I have seen it done by technical investigators.

Another question that needs answering is why the man was in an area where the IDF were operating?

There are Palestinian people all over the place where the IDF are operating. They IDF have even regularly bombed exactly where the IDF have told them to go. The BBC did an investigation about this at one point.

Before the IDF enter an area they do leaflet drops to tell civilians to evacuate. They are also told that if they remain then they will be classed as 'enemy' and could be shot.

Each and every time? Rubbish.
And what if a person cannot get away or have anywhere to go. What if the IDF then bombs the area the leaflet said to go? ( See previous o paragraph.)

How Littlebowiepeep do you think over 30,000. people, (75% women and ) have been killed; 73000 wounded; thousands more under the rubble, have got killed? Because it’s their fault they didn’t get away from the thoughtful IDF?

Instead of broadcasting this all over the internet the best course of action would have been to leave the equipment where it was for the IDF to collect later.
Then a full investigation could be carried out.

And do you really think it would be? Or that the public would be told about it?
Ir that the IDF would sanction the soldier?

EasterIssland · 10/03/2024 21:12

EasterIssland · 10/03/2024 20:58

The Israeli occupation forces prevent dozens of Palestinians from entering Al Aqsa mosque to perform Taraweeh prayers for the first night of #Ramadan

https://twitter.com/Malcolm_Ishmeal/status/1766884098575073768

A very bad start to Ramadan. Police beat with batons praying people at the Al-Aqsa gate before the first Taraweeh prayer.

https://twitter.com/nirhasson/status/1766897831816642941

https://twitter.com/nirhasson/status/1766897831816642941

EasterIssland · 10/03/2024 20:58

The Israeli occupation forces prevent dozens of Palestinians from entering Al Aqsa mosque to perform Taraweeh prayers for the first night of #Ramadan

https://twitter.com/Malcolm_Ishmeal/status/1766884098575073768

anotherlevel · 10/03/2024 20:33

That's awful @EasterIssland. Not just that but I have also seen they have slaughtered sheep so that the Palestinians cannot offer them as a sacrifice ready for Ramadhan tomorrow.

Silence1 · 10/03/2024 18:59

EasterIssland · 10/03/2024 17:16

Scenes broadcasted by Israeli soldiers' accounts on social media show them starving, displacing, and uprooting thousands of Palestinian civilians from their land

https://twitter.com/RamAbdu/status/1766770386161508529

That's horrific.

Efacsen · 10/03/2024 17:56

Open Arms is still docked in Cyprus apparently being held up by some kind of jetty being constructed in Gaza

The food aid on board the barge it's towing has been funded by UAE - ?the permission to land food aid on the beach story

EasterIssland · 10/03/2024 17:16

Scenes broadcasted by Israeli soldiers' accounts on social media show them starving, displacing, and uprooting thousands of Palestinian civilians from their land

https://twitter.com/RamAbdu/status/1766770386161508529

Scirocco · 10/03/2024 14:46

Thank you, @BelleHathor

BelleHathor · 10/03/2024 14:43

We are in the midst of probably one of the biggest Psychological War operations right now. All assets have been deployed online in order to manage the narrative.

Western countries are fighting to stop people realising what a big bunch of hypocrites they are. They have stood by, armed and protected the Israeli government whilst it commits plausible crimes against humanity.

The whole fabric of so called "Western democracy" has been ripped apart. We were raised to care about the vulnerable, to stand up for what's right, to be the voice of the unheard, but on Palestine we must be quiet? Nah. Our moral compass, values and love for humanity is too strong!

That's why it seems like there's been a marked increase in posters trying to justify the Israeli governments actions. They've lost the online war and all races, left and right are saying no more. A lot of the "heartless" posts are deliberately designed to hurt, demoralise and waste time arguing back.

I know it's painful, but
be heartened that whilst they're doing it to us, at least they're not able to disturb Palestinians by posting "But Hamas" type comments in their replies.

Scirocco · 10/03/2024 14:23

EasterIssland · 10/03/2024 14:04

My fav one was the one that suggested that hind was killed by a tank driven by Hamas

That theory had more plot holes than a Hollyoaks storyline.

EasterIssland · 10/03/2024 14:04

Scirocco · 10/03/2024 12:33

I'm pretty sure babies aren't Hamas.

My fav one was the one that suggested that hind was killed by a tank driven by Hamas

EasterIssland · 10/03/2024 14:03

Littlebowiepeep · 10/03/2024 12:22

How do we know who are Palestinian civilians and who are Hamas?

You’re right. Let’s kill everyone that way you make sure 100% Hamas are killed.

Scirocco · 10/03/2024 13:13

If people said these things about other groups of people, they would be roundly criticised. Yet people feel it's entirely socially acceptable to say these things about Palestinians and Muslims.

I'm increasingly concerned that there is no safe place in the West for my family.

Efacsen · 10/03/2024 12:47

Scirocco · 10/03/2024 12:39

I wish people could just take their hate elsewhere.

I used to hope that people could try to consider that their words might hurt others, but actually I think some people actually get pleasure or validation from hurting people like me. So now I just wish they'd go away.

I'm really sorry that you've had to see this sort of hateful nonsense again

There is so much personalised cruelty and some posters who treat it like some kind of weird sport

Do take care

Scirocco · 10/03/2024 12:39

Efacsen · 10/03/2024 12:33

Over 5 months into this war trying to school this thread [which is about what Israel is doing to Gaza] about reliable sources is laughable and well off-topic

And disruptive as you well know

I wish people could just take their hate elsewhere.

I used to hope that people could try to consider that their words might hurt others, but actually I think some people actually get pleasure or validation from hurting people like me. So now I just wish they'd go away.

Scirocco · 10/03/2024 12:34

Or the many other innocent civilians.