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mids2019 · 2024-02-27T13:31:36+00:00

So President Biden is under the impression that a ceasefire could be in place by the weekend .... Queue celebration (presumably) by all those that march on the streets calling for a ceasefire. Then we find our Hamas have problems with it!!!!! The same Hamas that are supposed to be acting in their people's intsrests We now know who really does not want to engage in ceasefire talks and release hostages. We now know who the ire of all those marchers in London should be directed against. I feel Hamas want this war to continue as is as they are thriving on the sympathy the war is bringing to Palestinians. The more global 'support' is demonstrated the more they feel they have a chance of being part of a post war peace

KestrelMoon · 28/02/2024 10:48

If Hamas released all the hostages that would be a start towards a ceasefire. 40 days would possibly allow talks to continue looking to something permanent but Hamas are rejecting this as not enough (admittedly there are some Israeli doubts).

No, it would not be a start towards a ceasefire and both Hamas and Israel know it. Israel has been brutally honest that this would be a forty day humanitarian pause to get the hostages out so they can then go into Rafah not worrying about killing more hostages as they go. Israel could have lied and pretended, oh yes, we could build from this to a ceasefire, but they have been honest and forthright on their intentions. It is best to take Israel seriously and at their word.

As much as I want a ceasefire and a diplomatic solution, I think the negotiations are at an impasse and it will take 3rd party intervention to impose a ceasefire.

TowerStork · 27/02/2024 22:51

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Snowypeak · 27/02/2024 22:05

Negotiations so far
Below is a rough summary of what has been suggested and what the sticking points are.

Israel wants all the hostages released and Hamas to stop fighting in return for a ceasefire which will be temporary only as they want to proceed with the Rafah ground invasion.

Hamas wants Palestinian prisoners released in exchange for hostages, aid to flow freely, civilians to be allowed to return to Northern Gaza. They don’t want to release IDF hostages at the moment, especially male ones, and won’t commit to stop fighting if Israel doesn’t.

Israel doesn’t want anyone under the age of 50 to return to northern Gaza. And are adamant that the Rafah invasion will proceed.

A deal between Israel and Hamas appears to be taking shape. What would it look like?

Israel and Hamas are inching toward a new deal that would free some of the roughly 130 hostages held in the Gaza Strip in exchange for a weekslong pause in the war, now in its fifth month. U.S. President Joe Biden says a deal could go into effect as e...

https://news.yahoo.com/deal-between-israel-hamas-appears-174746327.html

MissyB1 · 27/02/2024 22:03

OP why won’t you accept that Israel has said there will be no permanent ceasefire until they decide they have “destroyed Hamas” and a ground invasion of Rafah is part of that plan. Israel don’t want to stop yet.

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mids2019 · 27/02/2024 21:50

If Hamas released all the hostages that would be a start towards a ceasefire. 40 days would possibly allow talks to continue looking to something permanent but Hamas are rejecting this as not enough (admittedly there are some Israeli doubts).

The point is that when discussing ceasfire Hamas are looking for the best deal and not as many would anticipate doing anything to prevent a 'genocide'. Typically as in Ukraine peace talks are a challenge when both parties think it is in their interest to continue combat. In this case there must be some perceived benefit for Hamas to keep fighting as they seem to be not yet ready to accept ceasefire conditions of some sort.

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KestrelMoon · 27/02/2024 19:09

Limesodaagain · 27/02/2024 18:58

Are you saying that Hamas is blocking the idea of a forty day humanitarian pause?

I am. Hamas have said they won’t settle for less than a ceasefire.
Israel won’t settle for anything that leaves Hamas alive and in power, so a ceasefire is not acceptable to Israel.

A forty day humanitarian pause with a promise it could lead to a ceasefire- Hamas and Israel both know it won’t lead to a ceasefire. It will only prolong the inevitable.

DenmarkStreet · 27/02/2024 19:01

ConnieCounter · 27/02/2024 18:51

OP trying so hard to blame Hamas for this. I really don't understand why some posters refuse to believe that Israel are the ones who want to keep the slaughter going. I mean, they've said it out loud, they've rejected ceasefires. What would convince you?

All hostages returned and consequences for leaders and participants in the 7th of October atrocities. If Israel did not accept a ceasefire after that, then I would be convinced.

Limesodaagain · 27/02/2024 18:58

Are you saying that Hamas is blocking the idea of a forty day humanitarian pause?

KestrelMoon · 27/02/2024 18:54

onemoremile · 27/02/2024 15:14

There was a long piece in this on the Today programme this morning. Hamas don't want it because it is only for 40 days and doesn't allow anyone to go back to Gaza City or Khan Younis. Israel don't want it because the hardliners in the coalition don't want it.

A forty day humanitarian pause isn’t a ceasefire. That’s probably why it’s not an option for Hamas as their red line is a ceasefire.

ConnieCounter · 27/02/2024 18:51

OP trying so hard to blame Hamas for this. I really don't understand why some posters refuse to believe that Israel are the ones who want to keep the slaughter going. I mean, they've said it out loud, they've rejected ceasefires. What would convince you?

blackcherryconserve · 27/02/2024 16:34

Auvergne63 I meant that no mention was made by Hamas of all the hostages only that a certain number might be released.

Snowypeak · 27/02/2024 16:29

MissyB1 · 27/02/2024 16:26

No it doesn’t. Because a temporary ceasefire would simply be a pause in the genocide. Israel have made it crystal clear that they aren’t done with the slaughter yet. Their Government are repeatedly stating that there are no plans for a permanent ceasefire, they still want to go ahead with a ground invasion of Rafah. Oh and let’s not forget what’s happening in the West Bank…..

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Regardless, nothing Hamas does gives Israel a free pass to slaughter and maim thousands and thousands of innocent children.

MissyB1 · 27/02/2024 16:26

mids2019 · 27/02/2024 15:27

OK so Hamas and Israel have failed to agree a ceasefire. If Hamas are holding out for better terms does this belie the genocide rhetoric that seems to be doing the rounds?

No it doesn’t. Because a temporary ceasefire would simply be a pause in the genocide. Israel have made it crystal clear that they aren’t done with the slaughter yet. Their Government are repeatedly stating that there are no plans for a permanent ceasefire, they still want to go ahead with a ground invasion of Rafah. Oh and let’s not forget what’s happening in the West Bank…..

Auvergne63 · 27/02/2024 16:25

blackcherryconserve · 27/02/2024 16:20

I think I heard on the BBC at lunchtime that Hamas doesn't want a ceasefire but an ending of the war. No mention is made of the 130 Israeli hostages they hold.

I also listened to it and the hostages were mentioned.

Auvergne63 · 27/02/2024 16:23

mids2019 · 27/02/2024 15:15

@onemoremile

surely 40 days is better than nothing? Aid could get in.......

Indeed, So people can be fed, watered and medically treated then they can be bombed to smithereens 40 days later. At least, they can die sated.

blackcherryconserve · 27/02/2024 16:20

I think I heard on the BBC at lunchtime that Hamas doesn't want a ceasefire but an ending of the war. No mention is made of the 130 Israeli hostages they hold.

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mids2019 · 27/02/2024 16:11

Partyatnumberten · 27/02/2024 15:49

Is this an ironic post, or are you genuinely surprised that a terrorist group doesn't want to stop fighting and don't act in the best interests of the people?

@Partyatnumberten

Unfortunately I am not surprised but I think people need to face up to the fact Hamas are part of the problem and calls for a ceasefire if you think one is viable need to be targeted at Hamas as well as Israel. It always takes two to fight

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Partyatnumberten · 27/02/2024 15:49

Is this an ironic post, or are you genuinely surprised that a terrorist group doesn't want to stop fighting and don't act in the best interests of the people?

INeedAnotherName · 27/02/2024 15:39

mids2019 · 27/02/2024 15:27

OK so Hamas and Israel have failed to agree a ceasefire. If Hamas are holding out for better terms does this belie the genocide rhetoric that seems to be doing the rounds?

Why are you focusing on Hamas when it seems the Israeli government don't want it either? I rather think the Israeli government are the only ones who hold the power to create this ceasefire and allow aid in. Unfortunately they don't actually want that.

Parkingt111 · 27/02/2024 15:36

As far as I can see talks will still be ongoing to reach a deal.
Although until its concrete I'm personally wary to be too optimistic

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mids2019 · 27/02/2024 15:27

OK so Hamas and Israel have failed to agree a ceasefire. If Hamas are holding out for better terms does this belie the genocide rhetoric that seems to be doing the rounds?

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onemoremile · 27/02/2024 15:18

Well I think so, but I'm not a leader of Hamas. I was just saying what was reported on the Today programme which is clear, even if I disagree with it.

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mids2019 · 27/02/2024 15:15

@onemoremile

surely 40 days is better than nothing? Aid could get in.......

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onemoremile · 27/02/2024 15:14

There was a long piece in this on the Today programme this morning. Hamas don't want it because it is only for 40 days and doesn't allow anyone to go back to Gaza City or Khan Younis. Israel don't want it because the hardliners in the coalition don't want it.

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mids2019 · 27/02/2024 15:13

I just thought Hamas would be jumping up and down for a ceasefire. What do Hamas want that is preventing a ceasefire?

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