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This picture of Israeli soldiers smiling for a selfie in front of a destroyed Gaza...

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changefromhr · 23/02/2024 22:06

I know there are lots of pictures. I try to avoid looking as its just so awful but this one couldn't be avoided.

How sickening that the soldiers can smile and act so happy in front of all that destruction.

This is just another picture, from the thousands, that shows how the Palestinians and their lives and homes are seen as worthless.

This picture of Israeli soldiers smiling for a selfie in front of a destroyed Gaza...
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EasterIssland · 25/02/2024 19:09

Oakbeam · 25/02/2024 19:07

I think it’s reasonably safe to say that is the same group as in the OP’s picture.

However, it’s less clear whether or not it was taken by one of them or a third party from a distance. I suspect the latter.

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Yes they’re . As posted above it was taken by the same photographer.

OneMerryRedSnail · 25/02/2024 19:08

EasterIssland · 25/02/2024 19:02

Yes I can tell you who took it. The same person that took the picture from the opening of this thread.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C3iy8O3onsD/?igsh=YWsxaTQ4c3FpaTly

regarding the angle , if you care to look closely , the buildings in the back both match

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What buildings?

I can't see any buildings.

Just a load a grey shapes.

How far from Gaza is this?

Oakbeam · 25/02/2024 19:07

EasterIssland · 25/02/2024 17:10

Just seen this one , Gaza isn’t neither behind the pic … as Gaza has been destroyed
I’d say it’s the same background as the other pic.

https://twitter.com/KetaSotire/status/1761139435633004878

Edited

I think it’s reasonably safe to say that is the same group as in the OP’s picture.

However, it’s less clear whether or not it was taken by one of them or a third party from a distance. I suspect the latter.

EasterIssland · 25/02/2024 19:02

OneMerryRedSnail · 25/02/2024 18:59

Can you confirm who took this picture and at what angle it was taken?

No, I thought not.

Yes I can tell you who took it. The same person that took the picture from the opening of this thread.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C3iy8O3onsD/?igsh=YWsxaTQ4c3FpaTly

regarding the angle , if you care to look closely , the buildings in the back both match

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/C3iy8O3onsD/?igsh=YWsxaTQ4c3FpaTly

OneMerryRedSnail · 25/02/2024 18:59

EasterIssland · 25/02/2024 17:10

Just seen this one , Gaza isn’t neither behind the pic … as Gaza has been destroyed
I’d say it’s the same background as the other pic.

https://twitter.com/KetaSotire/status/1761139435633004878

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Can you confirm who took this picture and at what angle it was taken?

No, I thought not.

ConnieCounter · 25/02/2024 17:54

OneMerryRedSnail · 25/02/2024 16:39

Oh for goodness sake everybody, this is just 'a storm in a teacup'.

Have a look at the picture and see what angle the 'selfie' was being taken from.

It was parallel to the view of Gaza. So Gaza would not figure in the selfie.

I've heard some bizarre logic on these boards defending the actions of the IDF but this one takes the biscuit.

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EasterIssland · 25/02/2024 17:10

Just seen this one , Gaza isn’t neither behind the pic … as Gaza has been destroyed
I’d say it’s the same background as the other pic.

https://twitter.com/KetaSotire/status/1761139435633004878

This picture of Israeli soldiers smiling for a selfie in front of a destroyed Gaza...
EasterIssland · 25/02/2024 17:04

OneMerryRedSnail · 25/02/2024 16:39

Oh for goodness sake everybody, this is just 'a storm in a teacup'.

Have a look at the picture and see what angle the 'selfie' was being taken from.

It was parallel to the view of Gaza. So Gaza would not figure in the selfie.

How do you know there is no more Gaza Behind them ?

OneMerryRedSnail · 25/02/2024 16:39

Oh for goodness sake everybody, this is just 'a storm in a teacup'.

Have a look at the picture and see what angle the 'selfie' was being taken from.

It was parallel to the view of Gaza. So Gaza would not figure in the selfie.

Oakbeam · 25/02/2024 13:19

anotherlevel · 25/02/2024 11:54

Here we go @Oakbeam

No, I meant the actual picture that the soldiers took.

I’m interested to see whether it was of a group of smiling women with grass or something similarly neutral in the background or a group of smiling women with destroyed buildings clearly visible in the background.

I would feel less strongly against the former than the latter.

anotherlevel · 25/02/2024 11:54

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 24/02/2024 13:41

Here we go @Oakbeam

Oakbeam · 25/02/2024 11:11

EasterIssland · 25/02/2024 11:00

A poster posted a link in this thread with the pic in it

Thanks. I searched twice before I asked but didn’t see it.

I’ve searched twice more since and still can’t see it.

EasterIssland · 25/02/2024 11:00

Oakbeam · 25/02/2024 10:01

Has the actual selfie photo the soldiers took been published anywhere? It would be interesting to see what was in the background of their photo.

A poster posted a link in this thread with the pic in it

Oakbeam · 25/02/2024 10:01

Has the actual selfie photo the soldiers took been published anywhere? It would be interesting to see what was in the background of their photo.

Efacsen · 25/02/2024 07:35

Two days ago Israel's attorney general Gali Baharav Miara also made a statement similar to the IDFs CinC condemning these 'revenge videos' [plus a whole lot of other things] so the word from the most senior people in Israel is that this isn't acceptable

Expect it's prep for the governments interim report to the ICJ due tomorrow

But their defence still continues on MN

Curious

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 25/02/2024 00:26

whatsitcalledwhen · 24/02/2024 23:03

People trying to contextualise this image (which isn't fake as it turns out, despite them claiming it might be) seem to be forgetting that under that rubble are bodies.

God knows how many and many, many of them children. Little bodies that will never be respectfully buried.

Children who died terrified. That isn't 'just' posing in front of rubble. It's basically posing, smiling, in front of a mass burial site to which they have contributed.

Well said. What these women are doing is horrific and it's disgraceful that people here are trying to excuse it.

Bubblesoffun · 24/02/2024 23:11

quantumbutterfly · 24/02/2024 08:25

Much easier to judge them from here I think.

I wonder how scared they are by what they're about to face, knowing what happened to people like them on 7/10, how much of their attitude is bravado to cover that fear. They are the same age as many of the hostages and other victims of 7/10. They may even be friends with some of those still held.

You are sailing perilously close to “they were just following orders” and we have all heard that before haven’t we.

whatsitcalledwhen · 24/02/2024 23:03

People trying to contextualise this image (which isn't fake as it turns out, despite them claiming it might be) seem to be forgetting that under that rubble are bodies.

God knows how many and many, many of them children. Little bodies that will never be respectfully buried.

Children who died terrified. That isn't 'just' posing in front of rubble. It's basically posing, smiling, in front of a mass burial site to which they have contributed.

julili · 24/02/2024 23:01

mollyfolk · 24/02/2024 22:17

But they are all innocent people. What happened to Shani Louk was horrific. These photos are horrific- neither justifies the other. I’m not minimising what Hamas did or do. I don’t support them at all. But these dead women most likely had nothing to do with Shani.

If you think it’s ok to kill, maim and traumatise a majority because some of them were Hamas, I think you have reached a point were you have dehumanised people. Why are innocent Palestinian lives so expendable?

Because one death is a tragedy and thousands are just Israeli “self defence”.

DojaPhat · 24/02/2024 22:52

The process of getting aid into Gaza is extremely long and complicated, causing unnecessary delays. Israel can reject items deemed at risk of potential military use like generators, clutches, field hospital kits, inflatable water tanks, children's toys and oxygen tanks. Turns out the meticulous inspections also mean if inspectors reject one item on a truck, the entire cargo must restart the process.
Mind you, all this is happening while families, men, women, children starve to death. A picture of the queuing aid trucks can be seen in the article below.

https://www.ft.com/content/d7bbd8c3-6c44-4687-a93e-48969d37373d

mollyfolk · 24/02/2024 22:21

stormy4319trevor · 24/02/2024 21:40

It's interesting from a psychological point of view. I also just saw some footage of members of the Israeli public playing music and dancing as they block aid trucks going in to Gaza. I can't quite fathom it.

I find it so difficult to understand their motivations. This is an interesting article with a leading Israeli settler in the West Bank that gives a bit of an insight into the mind of this type of person.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-extreme-ambitions-of-west-bank-settlers

The Extreme Ambitions of West Bank Settlers

A leader of the settlement movement on expanding into Gaza, and her vision for the Jewish state.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-extreme-ambitions-of-west-bank-settlers

mollyfolk · 24/02/2024 22:17

StarbucksSmarterSister · 24/02/2024 13:42

I didn't say it wasn't bad, I said the photograph of Shani Louk was worse and I firmly believe it is. As for triumphant yelling, I note you ignore the real horror of that photo which is that a dead girl's body was being paraded as a fucking war trophy. Which is 100 times worse than fuckwit soldiers holding up underwear, another photo many of you get so exercised about. (But do I think that's wrong too, yes.)

I too am leaving this thread because once again it's degenerated into one that throws around casualty figures whilst ignoring that around 1/3 are probably Hamas. Talks about Israel rejecting hostage deals without mentioning that Hamas want thousands of prisoners, many of them murderers, released including people like the Barghouti cousins, two of the worst terrorists in the world, who would immediately start plotting further 7th Octobers. People like me are accused of bias but what is that?

Do I think the behaviour of some IDF soldiers taking selfies, is wrong? Of course I do - and it does Israel no favours ar all - but I'm fed up with people yelling about it who have never posted anything about what Hamas do, or minimise it. That is why I commented - and I wasn't even the first to do so. Obviously I'm not alone in my thinking.

But they are all innocent people. What happened to Shani Louk was horrific. These photos are horrific- neither justifies the other. I’m not minimising what Hamas did or do. I don’t support them at all. But these dead women most likely had nothing to do with Shani.

If you think it’s ok to kill, maim and traumatise a majority because some of them were Hamas, I think you have reached a point were you have dehumanised people. Why are innocent Palestinian lives so expendable?

anotherlevel · 24/02/2024 22:02

@stormy4319trevor well whilst they're blocking aid from entering, I saw a video that was shared by an Israeli soldier of a tank driving over food. The music to video was so joyful. Sickening.