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Anti-Muslim hate has increased since 7-10

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EasterIssland · 22/02/2024 19:24

Out of the 901 off-line cases of anti-Muslim hate, there were 535 reports of abusive behaviour, 77 threats, 83 assaults, 79 acts of vandalism, 69 cases of discrimination, 39 acts of hate speech and 19 examples of anti-Muslim literature.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

Greatest rise in anti-Muslim hate in UK since Hamas's attack on 7 October

Incidents included verbal threats, online abuse and in one instance, a Muslim family had the word "Hamas" written on their front door, a UK-based organisation has said.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

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SaffronSpice · 27/02/2024 11:57

only a non-marginalised group can be racist.

nonsense.

Desertrose2023 · 27/02/2024 11:56

usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 11:36

I’m not sure if you’re being intentionally obtuse but here are the facts (extract and link below).

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/01/over-one-hundred-days-war-israel-destroying-gazas-food-system-and#:~:text=GENEVA%20(16%20January%202024)%20–,to%20UN%20human%20rights%20experts.

GENEVA (16 January 2024) – Gazans now make up 80 per cent of all people facing famine or catastrophic hunger worldwide, marking an unparalleled humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip amid Israel’s continued bombardment and siege, according to UN human rights experts.

Auvergne63 · 27/02/2024 11:54

Parkingt111 · 27/02/2024 11:33

@CroftonWillow who is 'us' that you refer to? time and time again as a British Muslim who was born here and grew up here, I am reminded that I am not seen as a part of British society. I am and always will be an outsider.

I am so sorry this is what this country has become. I have lived in the UK for the last 35 years and the racism towards minorities is now in the open and supported by our government. Brexit was the catalyst.

Parkingt111 · 27/02/2024 11:54

@CroftonWillow do you think we don't? There's nothing worse than that sinking feeling of hearing about an attack here and finding out that the perpetrator is muslim. Because unlike other groups when the attacker is muslim then all the Muslims in Britain are held responsible for it by some.

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:53

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:51

When someone chooses to spit at me in the street, threaten my child, assault me, issue death threats, paint offensive graffiti on the street I walk down, discriminate against me when I seek to access public services, etc., I tend to consider them to have responsibility for their own actions.

It's wrong, they should be punished. But it's a response to the extremism we've imported from your religion.

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:51

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:39

Nowhere have I indicated I'm blaming the victims (I assume you mean non-extremist Muslims?). I clearly lay the blame at the extremists.

When someone chooses to spit at me in the street, threaten my child, assault me, issue death threats, paint offensive graffiti on the street I walk down, discriminate against me when I seek to access public services, etc., I tend to consider them to have responsibility for their own actions.

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:47

Parkingt111 · 27/02/2024 11:43

@CroftonWillow and what exactly are myself and family supposed to do, to be considered as part of 'us' apart from what we are doing already?
Lived as a minority within a minority in my town for the last ten odd years, have great relationships with various neighbours, yet still recieve abuse for being Muslim once in awhile from total strangers.
Whatever I do will never be good enough for some because I am visibly muslim, even though we go out of our way and make that extra effort when we can because we know there's a chance people will be looking at us suspiciously.
We had a mosque open day once, I had a lovely chat with an elderly lady who came to visit, before she left she said I didn't realise you were just like us. I just smiled as I know she didn't mean it in a offensive way, but it's the reality of the lives for many of us here that we will always be outsiders.

The abuse you recieve is wrong and I'm sorry this is your experience. As I've said the only solution is if Muslims like yourself on mass call out and tackle the extremism within certain factions of your religion. I know they don't represent you in any way so it must be called out and if at all possible stopped. That's the only way I can see progress being made.

user146990847202 · 27/02/2024 11:47

As a white atheist, I object strongly to a religious war being brought to our doorstep, to our streets.
High time all religion was banned for the trouble it causes.

MCOut · 27/02/2024 11:45

usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 11:39

Like I said, we're all racist. Some just won't admit it.

Prejudiced. Not racist, only a non-marginalised group can be racist.

Parkingt111 · 27/02/2024 11:43

@CroftonWillow and what exactly are myself and family supposed to do, to be considered as part of 'us' apart from what we are doing already?
Lived as a minority within a minority in my town for the last ten odd years, have great relationships with various neighbours, yet still recieve abuse for being Muslim once in awhile from total strangers.
Whatever I do will never be good enough for some because I am visibly muslim, even though we go out of our way and make that extra effort when we can because we know there's a chance people will be looking at us suspiciously.
We had a mosque open day once, I had a lovely chat with an elderly lady who came to visit, before she left she said I didn't realise you were just like us. I just smiled as I know she didn't mean it in a offensive way, but it's the reality of the lives for many of us here that we will always be outsiders.

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:42

In this thread...

Us vs them
It's their own fault
Antisemitism is bad
Pork sausages must be available everywhere

We just need "Coming here, stealing our jobs and our women" and it's pretty much a full house in Casual Islamophobia Bingo.

The sad part is that people probably genuinely don't see it as being wrong. It's normal for people in the UK to be able to say these things to their friends and colleagues, on the internet, on TV.

Even in a thread specifically intended to be about Anti-Muslim hatred, it's turning into a thread of Anti-Muslim sentiments.

SaffronSpice · 27/02/2024 11:40

EasterIssland · 27/02/2024 11:11

And because they might not have equal rights then we should use it to hate speech on Muslims? Remember that’s what this thread is about. Not each characteristic about the religions.

So you admit that women do not have equal rights in Islam? That Muslims do not treat women equally?

Why should I not be concerned about the influence of a religion that seeks to undermine my rights?

Auvergne63 · 27/02/2024 11:39

usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 10:35

Halal slaughter, allowing students to leave classes for prayer sessions, allowing face coverings for religious purposes but not other (eg petrol stations refusing to serve motorcyclists if they do not remove their crash helmets), provision of long term interpreter services because people do not learn the native language, being labelled racist for objecting to any of these very few examples.

Halal slaughter
Do you also object to Kosher slaughter?
Allowing students to leave classes for prayer sessions
Why do you take exception to this? As an ex teacher of 20 years, I have never seen this happen with my Muslim pupils or colleagues. Even if I had, this would not have troubled me.
Allowing face coverings for religious purposes but not other
We live in a society which openly accepts the display of religious identifiers. Wearing a bike helmet is not one of these.
Provision of long term interpreter services because people do not learn the native language.
The language you speak is not defined by your faith.

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:39

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:37

Nice victim blaming there.

Nowhere have I indicated I'm blaming the victims (I assume you mean non-extremist Muslims?). I clearly lay the blame at the extremists.

usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 11:39

MCOut · 27/02/2024 11:37

Xenophobia… you do know what that word means right? Google it. Read back every single post you have made here. Then apply it to yourself.

Jewish people? The same Jewish people who eat kosher food. I’m assuming you dislike that alongside halal food. Also, where have I brought up Jewish people?

Like I said, we're all racist. Some just won't admit it.

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:37

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:36

It's wrong but it's unfortunately an inevitable response.

Nice victim blaming there.

MCOut · 27/02/2024 11:37

usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 11:31

"My" people? Not sure who you think "my" people are. I'm the daughter of a refugee, and because my skin is a little darker than white I got called a P when I was a child. Because some of my childhood friends were Indian Hindus, I got called a P-lover. Because my family escaped the Nazis, I am inherently suspicious of anyone who hates Jews. We're all racist, no matter what our colour, because it's not only whites who are racist. But yeah, let your lazy xenophobia shine through.

Xenophobia… you do know what that word means right? Google it. Read back every single post you have made here. Then apply it to yourself.

Jewish people? The same Jewish people who eat kosher food. I’m assuming you dislike that alongside halal food. Also, where have I brought up Jewish people?

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:36

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:35

@CroftonWillow and what about the intimidation, threats and violence against Muslims? Should we accept that, or should we be able to say that's not ok either? Because that's what this thread is about - the hatred, discrimination and abuse experienced by Muslims.

It's wrong but it's unfortunately an inevitable response.

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:35

@CroftonWillow and what about the intimidation, threats and violence against Muslims? Should we accept that, or should we be able to say that's not ok either? Because that's what this thread is about - the hatred, discrimination and abuse experienced by Muslims.

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:34

Parkingt111 · 27/02/2024 11:33

@CroftonWillow who is 'us' that you refer to? time and time again as a British Muslim who was born here and grew up here, I am reminded that I am not seen as a part of British society. I am and always will be an outsider.

Non-Muslims.

usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 11:34

MCOut · 27/02/2024 11:19

@usernamealreadytaken your understanding of racism is so basic I don’t even know where to begin. When racism or any other kind of prejudice is talked about on a national level individual interactions are only a very very small part of what is being discussed. How this manifests at an institutional level and affects life outcomes is much more relevant. Health inequalities, levels of unemployment, rampant Islamophobia in the press etc. Even if every Muslim person in the UK had a prejudice against white people (which they do not) it is highly unlikely that you would experience this to the same extent.

I am dying at your pork sausage argument. Do we provide cannabis to people from nations in which it is legalised because that something that they choose to partake in? You must live in a different UK to me because last I checked we don’t even give refugees time to find accommodation when they're accepted, a lot of them end up homeless on the street.

You can lay blame for the rise of “parallel societies” firmly at the feet of your own people. Multiculturalism was enshrined in policy for decades. Similarly, you can’t blame immigrant communities for the white flight which has resulted in areas which are overwhelmingly populated by one group.

Few racists? According to you, you aren’t one of them and yet a lot of people on this thread would beg to differ. Somehow, I don’t think you are qualified to determine who is, and who is not racist.

"You must live in a different UK to me because last I checked we don’t even give refugees time to find accommodation when they're accepted, a lot of them end up homeless on the street."

You're upset because refugees or those given leave to remain (because we have a laze civil service that can't even process claims of people with no paperwork) are treated in the same way as any other citizen of this country? That's your beef? Do you think in some way they should be prioritised over people who are already here, and have also been waiting to be housed?

Parkingt111 · 27/02/2024 11:33

@CroftonWillow who is 'us' that you refer to? time and time again as a British Muslim who was born here and grew up here, I am reminded that I am not seen as a part of British society. I am and always will be an outsider.

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:31

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:20

It receives unbalanced coverage. Why would media give time and space to things like charitable work undertaken by Muslim organisations, successful interfaith projects, etc? That doesn't generate nearly the same amount of interest as they could get with stories of injustice, fear or controversy.

I suspect that, in most places, if people reached out across cultural and religious divides, they would find far more in common with each other than not, if they approach it with an open mind and heart.

I agree, most people are decent and honest and of course that includes Muslims. But there is an extremely hostile and intolerant minority who continue to intimidate, threaten and commit acts of violence against us. These acts are becoming more frequent. As I said I can only see it being effectively addressed with from within the Muslim community as those who commit the acts reject everything we in the west stand for.

usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 11:31

MCOut · 27/02/2024 11:19

@usernamealreadytaken your understanding of racism is so basic I don’t even know where to begin. When racism or any other kind of prejudice is talked about on a national level individual interactions are only a very very small part of what is being discussed. How this manifests at an institutional level and affects life outcomes is much more relevant. Health inequalities, levels of unemployment, rampant Islamophobia in the press etc. Even if every Muslim person in the UK had a prejudice against white people (which they do not) it is highly unlikely that you would experience this to the same extent.

I am dying at your pork sausage argument. Do we provide cannabis to people from nations in which it is legalised because that something that they choose to partake in? You must live in a different UK to me because last I checked we don’t even give refugees time to find accommodation when they're accepted, a lot of them end up homeless on the street.

You can lay blame for the rise of “parallel societies” firmly at the feet of your own people. Multiculturalism was enshrined in policy for decades. Similarly, you can’t blame immigrant communities for the white flight which has resulted in areas which are overwhelmingly populated by one group.

Few racists? According to you, you aren’t one of them and yet a lot of people on this thread would beg to differ. Somehow, I don’t think you are qualified to determine who is, and who is not racist.

"My" people? Not sure who you think "my" people are. I'm the daughter of a refugee, and because my skin is a little darker than white I got called a P when I was a child. Because some of my childhood friends were Indian Hindus, I got called a P-lover. Because my family escaped the Nazis, I am inherently suspicious of anyone who hates Jews. We're all racist, no matter what our colour, because it's not only whites who are racist. But yeah, let your lazy xenophobia shine through.