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Anti-Muslim hate has increased since 7-10

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EasterIssland · 22/02/2024 19:24

Out of the 901 off-line cases of anti-Muslim hate, there were 535 reports of abusive behaviour, 77 threats, 83 assaults, 79 acts of vandalism, 69 cases of discrimination, 39 acts of hate speech and 19 examples of anti-Muslim literature.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

Greatest rise in anti-Muslim hate in UK since Hamas's attack on 7 October

Incidents included verbal threats, online abuse and in one instance, a Muslim family had the word "Hamas" written on their front door, a UK-based organisation has said.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

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BelleHathor · 14/04/2024 14:26

PeasfullPerson · 14/04/2024 13:26

It seems like in this instance the number 88 was indeed a fascist reference.

Can I please make a quick side note here that in Chinese culture the number 88 is considered lucky.

So please can everyone remember not to immediately jump to conclusions when they see this number.

Thanks for pointing this out, let me second this, a normal positive symbol has been hijacked for evil.

Efacsen · 14/04/2024 13:32

That's interesting and good to know @PeasfullPerson - guess that the context is the giveaway

PeasfullPerson · 14/04/2024 13:26

BelleHathor · 14/04/2024 12:38

Yup, twitter was a cesspit yesterday in terms of antisemitism and Islamaphobia.

Rachel does need to consider the factions that she's encouraging as many of those people are only supporting her so that they have an "acceptable" way to be openly racist towards Muslims. As soon as it is no longer useful they'll return to their standard operating procedure of blaming Jewish people (note: I'm not trying to be antisemitic, but these supremacist sorts hate all minorities).

I had the misfortune of listening to that space and a user with the number 88 in his user name (a neo nazi reference to the letters HH aka a phrase that the Nazis used) arguing that the "White man" built Australia and all minorities need to leave

Some very dangerous people are coming out if the woodwork.

It seems like in this instance the number 88 was indeed a fascist reference.

Can I please make a quick side note here that in Chinese culture the number 88 is considered lucky.

So please can everyone remember not to immediately jump to conclusions when they see this number.

25milesfromhome · 14/04/2024 13:00

Agreed, the ferocity of the hatred and the speed with which it can be globally amplified on SM is terrifying. I despair of people who choose to exploit suspicion, intolerance and division when they could use their platforms to really make a positive difference.

BelleHathor · 14/04/2024 12:38

25milesfromhome · 14/04/2024 10:50

Rachel Riley needs to wind her neck in. The events in Sydney and the surrounding furore are a damning indictment of the power of confirmation bias and how quickly lies can spread when people want to believe them.

In a different side of the same coin scenario, ‘Aussie Cossack’ who specialises in spreading Putinesque propaganda and disinformation tweeted identifying a Jewish man as the attacker, with a name and a linked in profile. https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/got-the-wrong-guy-sydney-uni-student-wrongly-named-as-bondi-attacker/news-story/c90b6486815a1a1573172f24bc02adb0

Twitter then went into an antisemitic meltdown, with proclamations such as Jews shouldn’t be allowed to live in Australia, the usual blood libel about them killing women and children and suggestions of witch hunts trying to find out where Jewish communities are in Sydney, particularly in wealthy suburbs. Absolutely shameful.

Yup, twitter was a cesspit yesterday in terms of antisemitism and Islamaphobia.

Rachel does need to consider the factions that she's encouraging as many of those people are only supporting her so that they have an "acceptable" way to be openly racist towards Muslims. As soon as it is no longer useful they'll return to their standard operating procedure of blaming Jewish people (note: I'm not trying to be antisemitic, but these supremacist sorts hate all minorities).

I had the misfortune of listening to that space and a user with the number 88 in his user name (a neo nazi reference to the letters HH aka a phrase that the Nazis used) arguing that the "White man" built Australia and all minorities need to leave

Some very dangerous people are coming out if the woodwork.

PeasfullPerson · 14/04/2024 12:18

25milesfromhome · 14/04/2024 10:50

Rachel Riley needs to wind her neck in. The events in Sydney and the surrounding furore are a damning indictment of the power of confirmation bias and how quickly lies can spread when people want to believe them.

In a different side of the same coin scenario, ‘Aussie Cossack’ who specialises in spreading Putinesque propaganda and disinformation tweeted identifying a Jewish man as the attacker, with a name and a linked in profile. https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/got-the-wrong-guy-sydney-uni-student-wrongly-named-as-bondi-attacker/news-story/c90b6486815a1a1573172f24bc02adb0

Twitter then went into an antisemitic meltdown, with proclamations such as Jews shouldn’t be allowed to live in Australia, the usual blood libel about them killing women and children and suggestions of witch hunts trying to find out where Jewish communities are in Sydney, particularly in wealthy suburbs. Absolutely shameful.

Two really terrible examples of how fear can be weaponised. Both equally horrible.

25milesfromhome · 14/04/2024 10:50

BelleHathor · 14/04/2024 10:11

Yup, she's been trending for hours.

A lot of prominent accounts amplified the incident as being "Islamist" in nature and promoted a lot of hateful racist attacks.

Rachel Riley needs to wind her neck in. The events in Sydney and the surrounding furore are a damning indictment of the power of confirmation bias and how quickly lies can spread when people want to believe them.

In a different side of the same coin scenario, ‘Aussie Cossack’ who specialises in spreading Putinesque propaganda and disinformation tweeted identifying a Jewish man as the attacker, with a name and a linked in profile. https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/got-the-wrong-guy-sydney-uni-student-wrongly-named-as-bondi-attacker/news-story/c90b6486815a1a1573172f24bc02adb0

Twitter then went into an antisemitic meltdown, with proclamations such as Jews shouldn’t be allowed to live in Australia, the usual blood libel about them killing women and children and suggestions of witch hunts trying to find out where Jewish communities are in Sydney, particularly in wealthy suburbs. Absolutely shameful.

Sydney uni student wrongly named as Bondi attacker

EXCLUSIVE

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/got-the-wrong-guy-sydney-uni-student-wrongly-named-as-bondi-attacker/news-story/c90b6486815a1a1573172f24bc02adb0

anotherlevel · 14/04/2024 10:46

anotherlevel · 03/04/2024 14:40

There's a thread on site stuff about Islamophobia.

Islamophobia on Mumsnet www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/5039412-islamophobia-on-mumsnet

Also, I have also requested for there to be a Muslim board.

For anyone that doesn't already know, the Muslim mumsnetter board is now live!

BelleHathor · 14/04/2024 10:11

EasterIssland · 14/04/2024 09:35

There are loads of complaints on Twitter (and If true many have complained directly on ch4) against Rachel riley for a post on Twitter from yesterday where they were hinting the attacker from Australians attack was a Muslim and that these is what the marches in the uk in favour of seeking a ceasefire are after.

Yup, she's been trending for hours.

A lot of prominent accounts amplified the incident as being "Islamist" in nature and promoted a lot of hateful racist attacks.

EasterIssland · 14/04/2024 09:35

There are loads of complaints on Twitter (and If true many have complained directly on ch4) against Rachel riley for a post on Twitter from yesterday where they were hinting the attacker from Australians attack was a Muslim and that these is what the marches in the uk in favour of seeking a ceasefire are after.

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anotherlevel · 03/04/2024 16:59

anotherlevel · 03/04/2024 14:40

There's a thread on site stuff about Islamophobia.

Islamophobia on Mumsnet www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/5039412-islamophobia-on-mumsnet

Also, I have also requested for there to be a Muslim board.

My request is on site stuff if anyone wants to show their support for it. Thank you.

coastalhawk · 03/04/2024 15:35

EasterIssland · 22/02/2024 19:24

Out of the 901 off-line cases of anti-Muslim hate, there were 535 reports of abusive behaviour, 77 threats, 83 assaults, 79 acts of vandalism, 69 cases of discrimination, 39 acts of hate speech and 19 examples of anti-Muslim literature.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

It's worrying, OP. I can imagine it's a difficult time to be a Muslim. Don't think that's fair or right.

BelleHathor · 03/04/2024 15:33

headstone · 03/04/2024 12:00

Lemonyticket, you do realise that Muslims have been attacked and a little boy murdered since October the 7th in the US be a man went around damaging cars with the Palestinian flag in the window in the UK. We’ve had the far right trying to join pro -Israel protests , politicians spouting anti Muslim hatred.

And it's a blatant lie that Muslim students are happily, freely, enjoying student life:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/29/us/palestinian-college-students-shot-vermont/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/23/alleged-chemical-attack-columbia-students-pro-palestine-new-york

Perhaps some people can only see things through the lens of their own experiences and are incapable of empathising.

3 Palestinian college students were shot on a walk in Vermont – where their relatives thought they’d be safe | CNN

Their families thought the three Palestinian college students who’d grown up like brothers would be safer in the United States – certainly in Vermont, celebrating a classic American holiday among loved ones – than back in Israeli-occupied Ramallah.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/29/us/palestinian-college-students-shot-vermont/index.html

anotherlevel · 03/04/2024 14:40

There's a thread on site stuff about Islamophobia.

Islamophobia on Mumsnet www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/5039412-islamophobia-on-mumsnet

Also, I have also requested for there to be a Muslim board.

RoastSquash · 03/04/2024 14:24

Did someone start a thread for it on Site Stuff? Because as far as I understand it, that’s what needs to happen and MNHQ won’t address such a request made via a random thread.

Scirocco · 03/04/2024 14:20

See above by @EasterIssland for one example of someone asking about one.

Scirocco · 03/04/2024 14:19

RoastSquash · 03/04/2024 14:15

Well, you certainly seem determined not to ask for one so I guess the injustice of its non-existence will continue.

How do you actually know that nobody has asked for one or discussed the idea?

EasterIssland · 03/04/2024 14:19

Not long after 7-10 a Muslim poster requested one to mn via one of these threads. Don’t think mn paid much attention as it wasnt created

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RoastSquash · 03/04/2024 14:15

Well, you certainly seem determined not to ask for one so I guess the injustice of its non-existence will continue.

Scirocco · 03/04/2024 14:10

RoastSquash · 03/04/2024 13:51

@Scirocco Yes, I understand and acknowledge all that and I’m not really sure why you’re responding to me as if I’ve disagreed with any of it or need it to be explained to me. No-one has said this thread is unacceptable or shouldn't exist but people with differing views on the subject will join the discussion, as occurs on every single other thread.

If you’d like Muslim MNers to have a dedicated board to use as an additional safe space, you can request it.

You suggested I was complaining about another minority group getting "preferential treatment", which wasn't the case or intention. I was clarifying.

As for a safe space for Muslim posters, we can't even get Islamophobic posts removed. We won't be getting a designated board any time soon.

RoastSquash · 03/04/2024 13:51

@Scirocco Yes, I understand and acknowledge all that and I’m not really sure why you’re responding to me as if I’ve disagreed with any of it or need it to be explained to me. No-one has said this thread is unacceptable or shouldn't exist but people with differing views on the subject will join the discussion, as occurs on every single other thread.

If you’d like Muslim MNers to have a dedicated board to use as an additional safe space, you can request it.

Scirocco · 03/04/2024 13:14

@RoastSquash just as there is a need for spaces where people can feel safe sharing their experiences of other forms of hatred and prejudice (including Antisemitism), I believe there is a need for a space where people can feel safe sharing their experiences of Anti-Muslim hatred and prejudice. One should not diminish the other.

Someone objected to the existence of this thread, describing it as 'gaslighting' and detracting from (presumably more valid in their eyes) concerns about Antisemitism. I don't see how one, relatively small, thread about a minority group experiencing a dramatic increase in hatred and prejudice directed towards it, should be so unacceptable. Nobody is forced to click on it or read it or contribute to it. And it doesn't seem unreasonable for derailment to be highlighted and for people to ask for it to stop, just as would be the case when derailment happens on other threads.

RoastSquash · 03/04/2024 13:06

@Dulra please take the time to read mine and @Scirocco posts properly because you seem to be (wrongly) assuming and referring to a completely different discussion. Or are you replying to @LemonyTicket but have quoted me by mistake?

EasterIssland · 03/04/2024 12:50

LemonyTicket · 03/04/2024 12:44

That is true, to be fair, it is, and I am sorry for it.

I simply think this kind of thread is putting an "all lives matter" slant on the current situation.

I recall how awful Muslim persecution was after 9/11 and it paled in comparison to what's happening now.

It certainly feels like being gaslit when the streets are covered every single weekend in Jew hatred for months on end

Do you feel the same way about those that talk about antisemitism or only this one?
do you think anti Muslim hate hasn’t gone up since 7-10?

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RoastSquash · 03/04/2024 12:45

Scirocco · 03/04/2024 12:36

@RoastSquash given the amount of Anti-Muslim sentiment across these boards, I very much doubt we'll be seeing a dedicated board any time soon, and if we did, it would almost certainly just receive the same amount of abuse and derailment that threads elsewhere get if they touch on Islam at all.

The threads discussing antisemitism are constantly derailed and misappropriated, such is the nature of these things.

If no-one’s even willing to ask, I don’t know how you can predict the request for a dedicated board will be denied. And yes, no doubt there would also be the occasional unpleasant incursion from unwelcome posters, as occurs on all the minority boards on MN.