Anti-Muslim hate has increased since 7-10

@scirocco Yes, but I'm holding you responsible for VAT on private schools and the fact it's not stopped raining here for days x

I'm going to need to hand over to other people to deal with any racists emerging for a bit. I'll try not to cause any more destruction of greenbelt land while I'm gone.

Who are these people?**

EasterIsland has answered that above your post

Who are these people? It was reported on sky News so they must also be being played.

Nobody has said anti-Muslim hate is ok. People have pointed out recent events have caused an uptick in suspicion and fear towards Islamist ideology and an increase in reporting of it, fear is a well known catalyst for an increase in attacks. Fear and suspicion doesn’t dissipate by ignoring it or calling people stupid/racist etc, if anything it will only fuel it more. When Islamist threat is being discussed in parliament, but mentioning this context is derided as stupid/racist it does nothing to progress the current situation, if anything it exacerbates it and makes the Muslim population more vulnerable. Surely any discussion about Islamist threat is one that the Muslim community should be included in as it has such a negative effect upon them!

Curious though that rampant anti-muslim rhetoric carries with it absolutely no consequence on a person's livelihood, it almost seems to be encouraged. Hmm, curious really.

My Muslim friends are the first to repost any Jews who are protesting the actions of the IDF, and there are many.

If people were genuinely commiting hate crimes against Muslim people because they were scared they were extremists (which would still be ridiculous) then Muslim men and women would be being attacked equally.

But as it is the majority are against Muslim women and the perpetrators are more often than not men.

This is just another instance of male violence against women, with religion just thrown in as a convenient excuse.

We're led to believe the UK parliament are terrified of violent Muslim reprisals (over a conflict which has nothing to do with us anyway) which is a concern.

Religious extremists are dangerous even if it's a minority.

But when the EDL marches, and that is an extremist far right group that has tried to bomb mosques, no one uses it as a reason to excuse violence against young working class white men (the average member of the EDL) or as justification for violence against young working class white man

If the EDL marches and then a few miles away a man who looks like they could be an EDL member is stabbed no one goes "Oh well after the state of the EDL protests Im not suprised" as if thats justification for it

Agree!

So because some British Muslims support extremists it's ok that anti -muslim hate has increased? Would you thinks it's ok to suggest then that because some British Jews support the IDF it's ok for the rise in antisemitism?

Misses the point entirely.

@Scirocco I meant it's no surprise because terrorism spikes negative feelings. I don't think that's acceptable - I meant it's a common correlation.

Most of the people who are marching near me aren't saying anything anti-semitic or pro-terrorist at all. The few people who do have tended to be the far-right troublemakers out for a fight, or the 'Socialist Worker' fans. Neither of which are groups with particularly high representation of people I know to be Muslim.

Personally, I'm extremely disappointed with the direction this country has taken over the past 10-15 years. I feel it's much less tolerant, much further to the right politically and I feel deeply disappointed in the actions of recent UK and some other governments internationally and domestically.

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@Dulra how so? There have been many reports of Hizb ut Tahrir supporters on these marches. It's not hate speech to say that's pretty scary, seeing British Muslims supporting extremism.

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It is, but also extremely concerning that people cannot even attempt to hide their blatant hate for Muslims while at the same time criticise people for antisemitism. You either see everyone as equal or you don't and if you don't why do you expect others to?

@Dulra Some desperate attempts here to close discussion down. Odd.

Sorry to hear that Simonjt.

There was such a vibrant mixed community in North London in the 90s. Neighbours actually socialising with neighbours, all different backgrounds. I'm thinking now we were just very lucky.

I wasn't sure you were which was why I asked, your post was unclear to me.

I personally think the marches are a handy thing to blame but potentially at least partially irrelevant

The mentality of the kinds of people who do these kind of hate acts is that they will use any excuse to justify it

Anti-muslim attacks also rose 14% during Covid. Any excuse.

I dont think a group of people should be limited from doing what they want (within the limits of the law) just because others might use it as a justification for crime. That like claiming women in short skirts are "asking for it"