Anti-Muslim hate has increased since 7-10

https://academic.oup.com/book/46506/chapter-abstract/407852219?redirectedFrom=fulltext

#MosqueMeToo

Muslim hatred is a chronic and accepted state.

with a Muslim head of state in Scotland and a Muslim mayor of London. You do the whole community a disservice by dismissing them as unrepresented and having no agency.

Muslim hatred is a chronic and accepted state. There are twitter accounts dedicated to blaming the ills of the country on Muslim immigrants. Women wearing hijabs getting daily abuse. Doesn’t make the headlines though.

There has been Islamophobia after every terrorist attack since 9/11. But nobody gave a shit, there was no media outcry or march against Islamophobia. It’s interesting.

Sometimes people will post with intention of provoking, once deletions on the thread have turned it into swiss cheese it inevitably gets deleted which is only helpful to anyone wanting to silence the discussion.

I am sorry some of our Muslim posters are having to put up with so much hatred and then see it minimised.

There are common themes in radicalisation in different communities - themes of isolation, hopelessness, marginalisation, creating vulnerability to groups claiming to have all the answers or offering an accessible 'other' to blame for people's difficulties.

I absolutely agree with this, I also would say Muslims do have good representation and agency and this should be highlighted more.

I think a lot of people don't realise much work goes on in Muslim communities to tackle these factors and to try to provide alternatives to extremism. There are loads of projects, local and national, working in this area. But it's rare for any of these to get any positive media coverage, so people don't see what's going on.

Again I agree, see the link I posted above as an example.

It really didn't come across that way

I have agreed already that it didn’t, however my subsequent posts have provided a much fuller explanation and I would welcome any comment you have about those.

It really didn't come across that way, @OppsUpsSide . It came across as actually quite offensive and as though Muslims have no right to expect anything better than Islamophobia because those unpleasant people do horrible things. I'm relieved to hear that isn't how it was meant though.

Yes, I think a major step towards resolving extremism in any community involves the different groups within that community being able to feel supported and welcome to participate in meaningful debate around it.

There are common themes in radicalisation in different communities - themes of isolation, hopelessness, marginalisation, creating vulnerability to groups claiming to have all the answers or offering an accessible 'other' to blame for people's difficulties. Happy, fulfilled people with good support networks and education don't tend to be as vulnerable. Creating opportunities for social inclusion, safety, education, etc all help create an environment in which toxic beliefs hold less sway.

I think a lot of people don't realise how nuch work goes on in Muslim communities to tackle these factors and to try to provide alternatives to extremism. There are loads of projects, local and national, working in this area. But it's rare for any of these to get any positive media coverage, so people don't see what's going on.

Point in case proven by the vitarol spouted here by the islamaphobes OP. Some people don't want to understand the 'other' just mud sling as usual.

And yes muslims are othered. When's the last time most of you spouting this hate actually spoke to one or engaged with a female Muslim 121 in a cordial way. Try it. Might knock some humanity into you.

@PeasfullPerson i think you are right. I do think ‘hate’ does come from some Islamic factions (see above) which has a hugely negative impact on the majority of Muslim communities, I also think this is a discussion those communities very much need to have a voice in. Unfortunately I don’t think that all came across in my original post!

@OppsUpsSide I think you are correct that fear after a terror attack can be a factor in increasing levels of racist incidents, and that perceptions of Islam do impact this, but I think that you started the discussion by taking about hate coming from Muslim communities was very offensive. It made it sound as though you were holding Muslim
communities accountable for this.

You might have found that people were better able to listen to your points if you first showed some empathy and support.

Just to be clear, my thinking on this is heavily influenced by the author Ed Husain (having said that I am very happy to consider any criticism of his work) he wrote a book called The Islamist. I will link an article he wrote incase anyone is unfamiliar with his work and interested

https://amp.theguardian.com/global/2018/may/26/ed-husain-house-of-islam-interview-how-peaceful-muslims-win-global-battle-of-ideas

Rubbish !

That’s really sad, I’m sorry that happened to you, and your family.

People are afraid yes, of terrorists yes but also of Islamist ideology, especially now. I am assuming you know what I mean by Islamist as opposed to Islamic or Sufism etc.
unfortunately, whether people are right to be afraid or not rarely is enough to prevent it, and people are then vulnerable to disordered thinking when afraid.

@OppsUpsSide I think you are saying Muslims are increasingly attacked because people are afraid of terrorists. I don't think that's true, but even if it was, the point is that prejudice and harassment is not acceptable towards anyone, in any context. If you are afraid of a person because of their appearance/identity it still is not OK to be abusive. Perhaps you would need therapy to understand that not all people of that religion/identity are a threat to you.

An article from a few months before also highlighted the increase in perceived Islamist threat.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/16/terrorism-fears-fox-news-poll/

You could conservatively think that the increase in fear may be linked to the increase in attacks, even that Islamist rhetoric has a negative impact on Muslim communities and therefore should be considered relevant to the discussion and one that Muslim communities should be included in.

Or you could just call anyone that points this out racist and stupid and ‘protect’ Muslim communities from this discussion, despite the huge amount of suffering Islamist ideologies causes them.

Hello @stormy4319trevor my posts are clear to read above your accusations, I stand by my posts and do not feel I need to add anymore to reject your accusations that they are hurtful and antagonistic.

I do, however, want to suggest that you are not responding to any of the points raised beyond accusations of stupidity, racism and inane references to Jaffa cakes.

Hello @OppsUpsSide We are talking about the impact of violence, harassment and assault on ordinary people. People like you and me. They go to school, work, pay their taxes, volunteer in the community, but because of their religion (often connected with ethnicity, people like you think there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for why others might target them. You do not comment as if you'd like to share any ideas, only to be hurtful and antagonistic. I think I've seen your style before, but can't think where.

The intolerant demanding tolerance .
Quite ironic really .

Yes, but I'm holding you responsible for VAT on private schools and the fact it's not stopped raining here for days x

Jaffa cakes got smaller too...

Some desperate attempts here to close discussion down.

Jaffa cakes got smaller too...