Anti-Muslim hate has increased since 7-10

Does Islam grant women equal rights to men or not? Or are you saying it is entirely coincidental that every Muslim country women do not have equal rights?

What about people who convert away from Islam (apostates), how tolerant is Islam of them?

As they are around the rest of the world, including the Muslim world. Why do we think that Muslims who immigrate here, or are born but grow up with those who have immigrated, would have a different view of us?

but when other countries are expected to change their culture and traditions to accommodate it, you just have issues.

That sounds like the yearly Daily Mailesqe stories about how christmas decorations are going to be banned in Birmingham because of "the Muslims" and then the Muslim community has to wheel out one of their leaders each year to point out that no, they actually like the decorations thank you very much and they don't mind the time off either and have zero issues wishing their colleagues a happy christmas

You are ranting about stuff that I wasn’t commenting on. And I do not believe that the majority of people I meet in the UK are racist.

when other countries are expected to change their culture and traditions to accommodate it, you just have issues
Any specific examples you wish to share?

@usernamealreadytaken part of the issue is that this isn't an issue of a very small minority. Racism, religious intolerance, and other prejudices are widespread and normalised in large sections of UK society.

You mean like conversations like this focus on the very few vocal racists, and suddenly the whole UK is a racist country? You mean sweeping generalisations like that? My point was that some Muslims in some countries aren't welcoming or tolerant of others, and some people in some other countries aren't welcoming or tolerant of Muslims - the world is the same the world over, it's nothing to do with a race to the bottom, it's about balance. Which countries, on the whole, have stable and cohesive societies - those with manageable and managed immigration where people properly integrate, not those where people have their own separate communities. There's nothing wrong with retaining culture and tradition, but when other countries are expected to change their culture and traditions to accommodate it, you just have issues.

And seriously, what does anyone think that the weekly marches will achieve, even though parliament voted in favour of a ceasefire? Does anyone think that Hamas and IDF are now reconsidering their positions, just because a baying mob intimidated UK MPs in to doing something which they perhaps didn't even want to, because they were apparently fearful for their safety? That really does paint this in a lovely light, doesn't it?

This.

This thread is a step by step guide in anti islamic sentiment and justification.

‘Why is the UK expected to value Muslims’

You are right. Let’s be as intolerant as other countries and make the lives of peace-loving Muslims horrendous in this country. Race to the absolute bottom. Fab idea.

Your real view is clear but of course you won’t say that directly.

Anyway, people always look at extremes. Thousands of Muslim people are integrated in their multicultural communities here. Getting on with each other and respecting and learning from each other. Using the peaceful parts of their religion for tolerance, generosity and charity. Yet racists love focussing on the vile and vocal minority who abuse others, engage in terrorism, are part of abhorrent gangs like in Rotherham etc. These hideous individuals deserve censure and are detested equally if not more by decent Muslims, but racists love to hone in on them and make out that all Muslim people are like that. Racist stereotyping at its finest.

Talk about there being no more blind than those who refuse to see.

The USA and UK have, in recent years, killed literally millions of people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, etc. and now are supporting the genocide of Palestinians, but you lot are worrying about Islamic terrorism? And claim to care oh so much about how Muslim women are treated, that you will cheer on their murder and the murder of their children.

You aren't frightened of Islam, you just hate

OppsUpSide I’m not suggesting it’s irrelevant I was giving you the main reason behind it and yes Muslim communities in the Middle East faced the brunt of it. We need to address our arms sales and foreign policies. We create terrorists when we cause terror. Muslims and Islam is no more violent then any other people or religion.

You might feel differently if you were a Hindu in Sri Lanka being killed by Buddhists in a genocide

Or Buddhists killing Muslims in Myanmar also classed as a genocide

Or perhaps going back a few years the genocide by the Serbs of the Bosnian Muslims

Islam as a religon is no more to be feared than any other religion. Islam being used by terrorists and other extremists perhaps, but I was referring to the religion itself replying to someone discussing fear of the religion itself. Seperate from how some people are using the religion and other religions

There is a difference between Islam as a religion and the political and terrorist entities using Islam as an excuse to seize power and control people

Absolutely agree.

Islam doesnt need to be feared any more than Christianity, Buddhism, Sikhism, or a whole host of other religons.

unfortunately I can’t, currently, agree with this. As per the previous government quote I posted, those other religions simply don’t pose the same threat.

Islam has been the state religion of Iran since the 13th century and was widespread in Iran since before that

There is a difference between Islam as a religion and the political and terrorist entities using Islam as an excuse to seize power and control people

Islam doesnt need to be feared any more than Christianity, Buddhism, Sikhism, or a whole host of other religons. The thing to fear is when they are tools used on the hands of power hungry people who often twist them for their own ends. The same can be seen on a lesser scale in the US for example with funamental Christians using Christianity as a tool to try to influence politics which often go far beyond what the Bible is actually teaching.

It is not just the radical action though is it? It is also its beliefs around eg the rights of women.

Islamophobia is fear of Islam. Why should we not fear Islam?

Western ideals are suspicious of all religions, it’s not even specific to Islam, Islam is just heavily over represented in terms of ideologies that take radical action.

Islamist terrorism has arisen due to destabilisation of the Middle East in part by our own politicians.

’in part’?
Islamist terrorism is a real threat within many communities and this includes Muslim communities. Suggesting ‘well this is irrelevant because the British are partly to blame’ achieves not a lot.

Islamophobia is fear of Islam. Why should we not fear Islam? Just look at Islamic states; eg Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, UAE, Syria. How are women treated in these countries? Or other faith communities? Where is freedom of speech? This was Iran in the 1970s:

Islamist terrorism has arisen due to destabilisation of the Middle East in part by our own politicians. Now we have the same politicians trying to encourage the likes of the far right by spreading lies and conspiracy theories about the general Muslim population which is obviously completely different to those involved with terrorism.

Tory MPs making up lies that Muslims are creating no go areas and that cities are controlled by Muslim gangs

It’s a valid question but I think you will struggle to have any effective discussion around these without some concession that the following actually is true…

Islamist terrorism is currently the largest terrorist threat faced by the UK in volume making up around three quarters of MI5’s caseload. Extreme right-wing terrorism almost exclusively represents the remaining threat.

Usernamealreadytaken it doesn’t matter what other country do, in this country we should be treating people equally regardless of their religion. How can it be right that a Tory MPs can attack the London Mayor simply because he is Muslim, or other Tory MPs making up lies that Muslims are creating no go areas and that cities are controlled by Muslim gangs. Why should Muslims have to put up with this hate speech from elected officials?

@usernamealreadytaken "why is the UK expected to value Muslims...?", well at the bare minimum because when someone is a resident or citizen of this country then they should be afforded equal respect and rights as other residents and citizens.

I have a good friend who is an older Muslim woman, and she and I have serious and frank discussions about many things. She expresses her frustration at the abuse she receives, both from Muslim men and from non-Muslims - different kinds of abuse, but abuse nonetheless.

How much representation do women, Muslim or otherwise, have in majority Muslim countries, and how much respect and dignity are women and non-Muslims afforded in those countries? Why is the UK expected to value Muslims, when Muslims make it clear that non-Muslims are not welcome or valued as equals in Muslim countries? Do areas with high Muslim populations in the UK value and welcome white people and culture?

In the same way as the majority of white people are peaceful and tolerant but the few taint us all with the “racist” brush, the same can be said for Muslims. We’re all human beings, and can be quite vile, really.

I worry that it suits the Tories quite well to be able to blame an election loss later this year on stuff like this. They'll basically blame it on Muslims being "oversensitive" or something equally inane. They'll 100% find someone to blame as it will never be their own fault for being offensive pricks in the first place.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/26/tory-supporters-lash-out-at-snake-sunak-over-lee-anderson-suspension

Grassroots Conservatives in this case, wanting to "remove the threat of Islam from [their] country".

I'd be interested in knowing who it is who is responsible for the increase in anti-Muslim comments / threats / actions. Is anyone aware if there is any data on that? I mean, is it the same people who also target Jews? Is it Tommy Robinson and his despicable friends?