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Peggysoonerthanlater · 15/02/2024 11:49

Now you have it for the horse's mouth -

Yahya Sinwar: Hamas leader in Gaza didn't expect consequences of 7 October attack to be 'this dangerous', says friend

Updated Wed, 14 February 2024 at 10:02 pm GMT

The top Hamas leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, was one of the main planners of the 7 October attack on Israel but did not expect the consequences to become "this dangerous", a friend has told Sky News.
Esmat Mansour (who has been in prison with Sinwar) said last year's cross-border raid was supposed to be a strategic operation designed to lift the Israeli siege on the territory, release Sinwar's friends from prison, and make him a "leader of the Palestinian people".
But the calculations "didn't go as planned", the reaction of the Israelis was "uncontrolled, without any justification", and "now we have this result", he explained.
"He [Sinwar] didn't expect the operation to make things this complicated and to go as far as it did and become this dangerous. And [it] gave Israel all the reasons and excuses to break all the rules."
Speaking from Ramallah in the West Bank, Mansour said: "I think he was one of the main people behind this operation."
He claimed that if Sinwar knew what the consequences of the assault would be, he "would never have planned an operation this way".
Mansour, who has been in prison with Sinwar, said the Hamas leader had "wanted to make a change".
According to his ex-fellow inmate, Sinwar "tried several times to negotiate with the Palestinian Authority, to make a good relationship with Egypt, and he tried to provoke Israel to lift the siege on Gaza".
"After all these efforts, he didn't succeed. After that, he had to make a strategic change to [do] a huge operation like this. A big part of it was thought up by Sinwar."
Hamas killed 1,200 people, mostly civilians, in its raid on Israel last October and took around 250 others hostage.
The attack led to retaliatory Israeli strikes on Gaza that have killed at least 28,576 Palestinians, including mostly women and children, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.
The Israeli military claims it has killed or captured 8,000-9,000 Hamas fighters since 7 October.

From Sky News

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Notaflippinclue · 15/02/2024 14:02

MercanDede · 15/02/2024 13:35

No one could have predicted the extremist, criminal response of Israel. I thought it was ridiculous all the posters saying that Hamas knew exactly what Israel would do.

Extremist criminal response? The right to defend yourself in war is enshrined in law - when it's over the international courts will decide - that's how war works.

Humdingerydoo · 15/02/2024 13:59

MercanDede · 15/02/2024 13:51

You couldn’t have seen interviews in Gaza before Israel responded!
Israel started bombing Gaza at 9:15am local time on October 7th.
You must be imagining this.

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No, I'm not imagining having seen interviews with people in Gaza shortly after the pogrom on the 7th of October. They were furious with Hamas for putting them in danger.

ConnieCounter · 15/02/2024 13:52

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 13:48

What Hamas did was so horrific - the rape, mutilation, and murder of women and children in utterly barbaric ways that read like something from the middle ages.

Exactly this. So horrific so barbaric

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I mean Israel is starving millions of people and bombing hospitals and schools and refugee camps. If you want to talk about barbarians. And this has been going on for 4 months. Not a day or two. And is going on right now.

MercanDede · 15/02/2024 13:51

Humdingerydoo · 15/02/2024 13:40

I think you'll find everyone could predict it. I remember seeing interviews with civilians in Gaza say things along the lines of "why would Hamas do this?? They're going to get us all killed". That was before Israel had responded. Everyone knew the response would be big. They might not have known the details but they knew it wouldn't end well for anyone.

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You couldn’t have seen interviews in Gaza before Israel responded!
Israel started bombing Gaza at 9:15am local time on October 7th.
You must be imagining this.

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 13:48

pistachioicecream · 15/02/2024 13:42

Seriously? What Hamas did was so horrific - the rape, mutilation, and murder of women and children in utterly barbaric ways that read like something from the middle ages. And they didn't expect a brutal response? I don't believe that for a minute.

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What Hamas did was so horrific - the rape, mutilation, and murder of women and children in utterly barbaric ways that read like something from the middle ages.

Exactly this. So horrific so barbaric

Dulra · 15/02/2024 13:48

Neither the Hamas attack nor Israel's response to it can be justified

Struggggggling · 15/02/2024 13:47

The IDF routinely sexually assault children in Israeli prisons, but I never hear any of the pro-israel crowd denounce that. But hey they're just human animals right?

ConnieCounter · 15/02/2024 13:46

I don't think anyone saw wholesale genocide as a response. I certainly didn't.

And those saying "don't fuck with Israel". Yes it takes really hard men to murder 12000 children. You must be proud.

pistachioicecream · 15/02/2024 13:42

MercanDede · 15/02/2024 13:35

No one could have predicted the extremist, criminal response of Israel. I thought it was ridiculous all the posters saying that Hamas knew exactly what Israel would do.

Seriously? What Hamas did was so horrific - the rape, mutilation, and murder of women and children in utterly barbaric ways that read like something from the middle ages. And they didn't expect a brutal response? I don't believe that for a minute.

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 13:41

Humdingerydoo · 15/02/2024 13:40

I think you'll find everyone could predict it. I remember seeing interviews with civilians in Gaza say things along the lines of "why would Hamas do this?? They're going to get us all killed". That was before Israel had responded. Everyone knew the response would be big. They might not have known the details but they knew it wouldn't end well for anyone.

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I also recall Israel saying they did not think Hamas would commit such barbarism as they knew what would come next if they did

Humdingerydoo · 15/02/2024 13:40

MercanDede · 15/02/2024 13:35

No one could have predicted the extremist, criminal response of Israel. I thought it was ridiculous all the posters saying that Hamas knew exactly what Israel would do.

I think you'll find everyone could predict it. I remember seeing interviews with civilians in Gaza say things along the lines of "why would Hamas do this?? They're going to get us all killed". That was before Israel had responded. Everyone knew the response would be big. They might not have known the details but they knew it wouldn't end well for anyone.

MercanDede · 15/02/2024 13:35

No one could have predicted the extremist, criminal response of Israel. I thought it was ridiculous all the posters saying that Hamas knew exactly what Israel would do.

susiedaisy1912 · 15/02/2024 13:35

PutMyFootIn · 15/02/2024 11:53

He knew exactly what would happen.

And if he didn't, then he's poorly educated, not very intelligent, not a military strategist and surrounded by incompetent aids and a rubbish intelligence service.

Even I know you don't fuck with Israel. They fear nobody.

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tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 15/02/2024 13:34

Perhaps they thought the response would be proportionate ?

// I'm not sure what a proportionate response looks like? I mean, like for like it's still going to be pretty bloody brutal. Also not sure war mongering terrorist organisations think in those terms

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 15/02/2024 13:32

Lifesd · 15/02/2024 11:51

I guess Hamas shouldn’t have raped, murdered and targeted civilians in one of the worlds top armed countries. I’m not sure what this post is suggesting - that “Hamas didn’t mean it” so Israel’s response is disproportionate?

I mean I think Israel's response hasn't covered them in glory at all but agree with you absolutely ... what the F did he really expect to happen next? Does he think we'll be like "Awww bless, he only wanted x to happen so let's not judge too harshly?".

MercanDede · 15/02/2024 13:29

PutMyFootIn · 15/02/2024 11:53

He knew exactly what would happen.

And if he didn't, then he's poorly educated, not very intelligent, not a military strategist and surrounded by incompetent aids and a rubbish intelligence service.

Even I know you don't fuck with Israel. They fear nobody.

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So he’s either got godlike powers of predicting the future, or he is an idiot.

Februaryfeels · 15/02/2024 13:27

waltzingparrot · 15/02/2024 12:31

I must have missed the explanation for this, but why won't Arabian peninsula countries take women and children evacuees from Gaza?

Because Hamas are so embedded it's impossible for other countries to be sure whether they are taking innocent people of Hamas?

Humdingerydoo · 15/02/2024 13:26

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Please don't say stuff like this. It's incredibly inflammatory and unnecessary.

(I'm a generally pro-Israel poster but I just don't see the need for these kind of comments)

EasternStandard · 15/02/2024 13:24

Februaryfeels · 15/02/2024 13:22

I wonder if a clever terrorist is an oxymoron

FAFO

I don’t think people get to the stage of committing terrorist attacks without some stunted influences

Notaflippinclue · 15/02/2024 13:23

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Februaryfeels · 15/02/2024 13:22

I wonder if a clever terrorist is an oxymoron

FAFO

Humdingerydoo · 15/02/2024 13:13

midgetastic · 15/02/2024 13:10

Perhaps they thought the response would be proportionate ?

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What would a proportionate response have looked like?

PutMyFootIn · 15/02/2024 13:13

If Hamas thought the response would be proportionate then they really don't know Israel very well.

And if you want to win a war, I'd say, "know your enemy."

Which, again, just goes to show what rubbish leaders they are.

midgetastic · 15/02/2024 13:10

Lifesd · 15/02/2024 11:51

I guess Hamas shouldn’t have raped, murdered and targeted civilians in one of the worlds top armed countries. I’m not sure what this post is suggesting - that “Hamas didn’t mean it” so Israel’s response is disproportionate?

Perhaps they thought the response would be proportionate ?

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Peggysoonerthanlater · 15/02/2024 13:09

waltzingparrot · 15/02/2024 12:31

I must have missed the explanation for this, but why won't Arabian peninsula countries take women and children evacuees from Gaza?

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2392691/middle-east

https://www.wionews.com/world/explained-why-arab-nations-dont-want-to-take-in-palestinian-refugees-from-gaza-648913

Explained: Why Arab nations don't want to take in Palestinian refugees from Gaza

The US presidential hopeful Nikki Haley made a strong point when she asked the Islamic countries why they are not opening up their gates for Palestinian civilians from Gaza who want to flee their homes amid the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas. 

https://www.wionews.com/world/explained-why-arab-nations-dont-want-to-take-in-palestinian-refugees-from-gaza-648913

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