Terrorist leader speaks out

*I'm talking about here. People saying "oh but it's fine when Hamas do it!!!" when literally nobody has ever said that here.

Do you condemn the grotesque attacks on civilians in Gaza*

People have done it on here.

Of course I'm immensely sorry when innocent civilians are killed. I would like the IDF to be more careful, just as I would like Hamas to look after its own people better. By the way have you condemned the massacres on 7th October?

A more targeted approach that didn’t kill so many innocent civilians and displace most of Gaza. Exactly what the US, the EU are calling for now.

Feel free to direct me towards examples.

Oh well, if you haven't seen it I guess it must be true.

Technically they are still civilians but if you aid or abet terrorists you may be liable, even if you claim duress which would be hard to prove, to be prosecuted - outside a war zone or after conflict is over.

Hamas has plenty of support (have you seen the reaction on the streets of Gaza to 7th October?) and are most likely to "house" hostages with those who support them, especially after the ground invasion. The majority of released hostages who have said they were held by civilians have given no indication those people were remotely reluctant or that Hamas had "taken over" their homes.

Of course Hamas often wear civilian clothes so the "civilians " could well be Hamas families.

Israel's reaction was entirely predictable based on their past treatment of the Palestinians. Absolutely everyone knew they'd go on a spree of carnage, and Hamas would have known too. My guess was they wanted Israel to show itself at its most barbarous in order to shock the world and raise support for the plight of the Palestinians. They've achieved that. But I can also believe in human stupidity.

Nope. Have yet to see it. Saying it's sad and tragic and oh, poor Palestinians (usually followed by blaming their plight on Hamas) isn't the same as accepting that the IDF commits atrocities and that those atrocities should be condemned.

You must be doing an awful lot of skim-reading then.

I've never seen one. I've also never seen a pro Israeli poster condemn the atrocities of the IDF.

There have been people on mumsnet who've justified the attacks, although the posts do tend to get deleted.

I'm talking about here. People saying "oh but it's fine when Hamas do it!!!" when literally nobody has ever said that here.

Do you condemn the grotesque attacks on civilians in Gaza?

Sadly yes. That awful weekend the reports of celebrating in London included

Seriously? I've seen lots of people justifying it on social media from the very day it happened. And not just justifying either, taking delight in it.

They're not "civilians" if they assist Hamas. Whuch was my point.

Imo Israel would be likely to find a reason to continue, and try finish what they hope to accomplish which is much more than the return of the remaining hostages.

is he for real?! and : you what?!!!!!!!

And who has ever justified what they did? Nobody. But every day Israel's slaughter of children and adult civilians is. It's disgusting.

@Peggysoonerthanlater

"and make him a "leader of the Palestinian people"."

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This is the part I find most interesting. Prior to 7th October Hamas was suffering from ever reducing support from ordinary Gazans who perceived them as corrupt (ironically Fatah was suffering the same problem in the West Bank).

Hamas believed that attacking Israel would increase its support amongst ordinary Gazans. This would in turn imply that Hamas believes ordinary Gazans view attacks on Israel as a positive thing and something to be supported.

Remind me, who were all those slaughtered and raped by Hamas? Because Hamas were proud with what they did.

That is not true. Israel launched their response at 9:15am on October 7th.

At about 6.30 a.m. (0430 GMT) Palestinian Islamist group Hamas fired a huge barrage of rockets across southern Israel, with sirens heard as far away as Tel Aviv and Beersheba. Hamas said it had fired 5,000 rockets in a first barrage. Israel's military said 2,500 rockets were fired. Smoke billowed over residential Israeli areas and people sheltered behind buildings as sirens sounded overhead. At least one woman was reported killed by the rockets.

The barrage served as cover for an unprecedented multi-pronged infiltration of fighters, with the Israeli military saying at 7.40 a.m. (0540 GMT) that Hamas gunmen had crossed into Israel. Most fighters crossed through breaches in land security barriers separating Gaza and Israel. But at least one was filmed crossing on a powered parachute while a motorboat was filmed heading to Zikim, an Israeli coastal town and military base.

9:15am Israel launches fighter jets. At 9.45 a.m. blasts were heard in central Gaza and Gaza city and at 10.00 a.m. Israel's military spokesperson said the airforce was carrying out strikes in Gaza. Medics in Gaza said dozens of people were killed in the strikes.

Israel's military said at 10 a.m. that Hamas fighters had penetrated at least three military installations around the frontier - the Erez border crossing, the Zikim base and the Gaza division headquarters at Reim. It said fighting at Erez and Zikim continued.

October 27th was the ground invasion which was after three weeks of airstrikes, artillery fire and siege.

HTHs you.

Yes, I'm sure Hind Rajab the 6 year old girl left to die in a car was a gun runner for Hamas.
Perhaps the paramedics who tried to save her were too.
The ambulance was pulverised by explosions after being given the go ahead by the IDF to rescue Hind.
Hind, a 6 year old child who was alone in a car full of her murdered family.

The IDF kill for sport, its horrific and its disgusting.

But you're right we all knew this would be the response, the Israeli government built the country on massacres, this is a continuation of their legacy

I'm just illustrating how Hamas is now admitting they scored a humungous own-goal, and what their viewpoint is.

Hamas have shown time after time that they consider Palestinian civilians to be acceptable collateral damage and valuable martyrs in their stated objectives of destroying Israel and the Jewish people. The harder Israel responds to Hamas the more recruits Hamas gets. Hamas wanted just this ferocious response so that Israel would lose standing internationally, to jeopardise Israel's potential peace treaties with Arab nations, and to generate more recruits.

He knew exactly what he was getting into.

This sounds like bullshit. If he is so horrified by the consequences of his planned terrorist attack, why hasn’t he released the hostages to try to put an end to it all?

I understand completely where men are concerned, who on earth would want to take the risk, but I would have thought mothers with young children could be checked out and contained safely - at least the children would be safe from bombardment and be fed.

And while they have them, maybe they could de-program them from Hamas ideology.