Terrorist leader speaks out

a special ire is put aside for Israel and I can't think why
because they are being investigated for genocide, because they are currently killing and displacing thousands upon thousands of civilians, because an end to this needs to be immediate and rapid to save innocent lives. To suggest that it is only because it is Israel doing this as the reason for people being angry and upset and objecting to this is a good way of deflecting from the atrocities we are witnessing day in and day out and trying to shut us up.

The irony!!!!!!

I agree with you. I actually thought this as soon as 07/10 happened. Do I agree with Hamas' actions? Absolutely not. Do I agree with the Israeli government's response to it? Again, absolutely not.

@MercanDede and what country has ever fought a war within those confines - what atrocities have we ourselves committed? I don't think there are any winners in this situation but I also can't look at it in the black and white way you seem to be. If Hamas thought they had made a mistake and wanted to end the conflict for the good of their own people why not hand the hostages back - lay down arms and stop sending rockets back? If it was one of my own relatives who had been slaughtered I'd want to reign hell fire down on the perpetrators - and then again we are back to the eye for an eye mentality. I just think it's a big rich to say Israel should be playing nicely and following the rule of law when they are already in a dirty fight. And again I don't see any calls for action against others who are involved in dirty tricks when it comes to war (Saudis etc...) a special ire is put aside for Israel and I can't think why 🤨

Very intelligent and enlightening response 🙄

Yeah we don't like that you are a whisker away from defeating Hamas, that's all we have an issue with... Stop deluding yourself. Don't think there is anyone on here that doesn't want to see the back of Hamas but I do not feel the IDF in charge would be much comfort for Palestinians either.

I am sorry but the Isreali government and the IDF are not shining in much glory at the moment and their current actions in my opinion are evil. Hamas are an illegal terrorist organisation and their brutal attack on Israeli civilians has been condemned, the majority of people on here and everywhere else has rightly condemned it and were shocked and upset by it. The current IDF treatment of the civilian population in Palestine is barbaric and rightly or wrongly I would hold a modern societies defence force in higher regard and expect more from them then I would a group of terrorists, but sadly the images I have seen their utter contempt for Palestinian people, the disruption of aid, the high number of civilian casualties especially children is a barbaric way to treat people. I have quoted an Irish Minister on here before "you can't behave like monsters to defeat a monster".

I think it was entirely predictable- and there is no definition for a “proportionate” response - dropping a few bombs and trying hard to mirror the death toll from 7 October? Would that have been “acceptable” to the people who desperately seek to downplay the actions of Hamas and emphasise how evil Israel is. For what’s it’s worth I think Hamas knew exactly what they were doing and in some ways Netanyahu is playing into their hands.

Why did you say you'd never seen them, unless to cast doubt on their existence?

Particularly as you said you'd never seen them in the same breath as you said you'd never seen posts from pro-Israelis condemning the actions of the IDF and you definitely intended to cast doubt on their existence.

Oh, was it a spurious segue between the two so that you could turn the topic from criticising Hamas to criticising Israel? I've definitely seen people do that a lot.

I said I'd never seen them.

@noblegiraffe maybe there has? I just said I've never seen them.

Interesting how a thread about one of the worst terrorist leaders in the world has turned into yet another "Israel is evil" one don't you think, instead of dissecting Sinwar - or his pal's lies

If Hamas were in Israel right now would you expect unguided bombs to be used in urban area in order to root them out?

Totally different circumstances. Israel would not be facing a hostile population for starters so it would be in a much better position to do targeted strikes or if Hamas held hostages targeted rescue missions as they would know where the hostages were- remember Entebbe?

Do they just not value Palestinian life?
Possibly more than Hamas value their own people.

As for "collateral damage" how do you fight a war without any? Do tell.

Dear Benjamin,

With nothing better to do, and plenty of time on my hands, (they say another 5 years, min) , I thought I'd have a look at the historical records of the public's "approval ratings" of politicians as gathered by pollsters.

Mrs Thatcher; December 1981, approval 25 %

Falklands war April 1982

Mrs Thatcher; June 1982, approval 59 %

Prior to the war Mrs. T had one of the lowest approval ratings of any prime minister since WW2.
That meteoric rise to 59 % then fell back a bit but to a much better one than she'd had before the Falklands war.

Hope you're keeping well. Come and visit us in prison sometime, there'll be lots of people you know. Who knows, you might even get to share a cell with one. Love to the missus, gotta go and slop out,

Mike.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/political-monitor-satisfaction-ratings-1977-1987