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Peggysoonerthanlater · 15/02/2024 11:49

Now you have it for the horse's mouth -

Yahya Sinwar: Hamas leader in Gaza didn't expect consequences of 7 October attack to be 'this dangerous', says friend

Updated Wed, 14 February 2024 at 10:02 pm GMT

The top Hamas leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, was one of the main planners of the 7 October attack on Israel but did not expect the consequences to become "this dangerous", a friend has told Sky News.
Esmat Mansour (who has been in prison with Sinwar) said last year's cross-border raid was supposed to be a strategic operation designed to lift the Israeli siege on the territory, release Sinwar's friends from prison, and make him a "leader of the Palestinian people".
But the calculations "didn't go as planned", the reaction of the Israelis was "uncontrolled, without any justification", and "now we have this result", he explained.
"He [Sinwar] didn't expect the operation to make things this complicated and to go as far as it did and become this dangerous. And [it] gave Israel all the reasons and excuses to break all the rules."
Speaking from Ramallah in the West Bank, Mansour said: "I think he was one of the main people behind this operation."
He claimed that if Sinwar knew what the consequences of the assault would be, he "would never have planned an operation this way".
Mansour, who has been in prison with Sinwar, said the Hamas leader had "wanted to make a change".
According to his ex-fellow inmate, Sinwar "tried several times to negotiate with the Palestinian Authority, to make a good relationship with Egypt, and he tried to provoke Israel to lift the siege on Gaza".
"After all these efforts, he didn't succeed. After that, he had to make a strategic change to [do] a huge operation like this. A big part of it was thought up by Sinwar."
Hamas killed 1,200 people, mostly civilians, in its raid on Israel last October and took around 250 others hostage.
The attack led to retaliatory Israeli strikes on Gaza that have killed at least 28,576 Palestinians, including mostly women and children, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.
The Israeli military claims it has killed or captured 8,000-9,000 Hamas fighters since 7 October.

From Sky News

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ABCDEFGHIJK123456 · 01/04/2024 23:10

Peggysoonerthanlater · 15/02/2024 11:57

If Sinwar had read the Bible he would have seen this verse -

Hosea 8:7: "For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind."

Maybe Hamas might think of the consequences next time they plan an attack. Assuming they have any thinking skills in their hate filed 'brains'.

ScrollingLeaves · 18/02/2024 21:51

ABCDEFGHIJK123456 · 18/02/2024 16:56

Yes some would support him on the marches, the ones that hit, spit and shout down those that condemn hamas. The sole Iranian man showed that to be true, they wander along in the marchers, they hide within, much like hamas hide within, similar tactics, they dislike the stance of anti hamas being spoken.

The police removed him, the man actually speaking against terrorism so as not to inflame 'peace' marchers. The irony. Speak out against hamas and get removed.... no freedom of speech for him.

Thank you for explaining.

Peggysoonerthanlater · 18/02/2024 18:19

ABCDEFGHIJK123456 · 18/02/2024 16:59

Some definitely do support sinwar and his 'resistance force'. I say they are scum. Rape is never resistance. Some on here share every scrap of unchecked hatred they can find to hate Israel. Go read the hundreds of threads it's not difficult to see.

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Yes, I've seen those posts,

It beats me how people have the time to post all that stuff, don't they have anything else to do?

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Notaflippinclue · 18/02/2024 17:37

Sinwar what an apt name - he's in the tunnel with wife and kids - waiting for them all to be martyred - then blame the IDF for killing his kids

ABCDEFGHIJK123456 · 18/02/2024 17:01

I am a free the hostages, hamas surrender and stop the war. The first 2 are down to hamas to sort but scum sinwar wouldn't do it. He cares nothing for Palestinian people. They are pawns in his hate filled life

ABCDEFGHIJK123456 · 18/02/2024 16:59

Some definitely do support sinwar and his 'resistance force'. I say they are scum. Rape is never resistance. Some on here share every scrap of unchecked hatred they can find to hate Israel. Go read the hundreds of threads it's not difficult to see.

ABCDEFGHIJK123456 · 18/02/2024 16:56

ScrollingLeaves · 18/02/2024 15:38

I entirely agree with what you say about him. Was your post implying that some people here would applaud him?

If so, people on here who think the IDF’s behaviour is horrendous do not believe by default that Sinwar and his monstrous massacring, raping and kidnapping terrorists of Oct 7 are somehow worthy.

Israel’s over response may be understandable on an emotional human level, but it is unreasonable. It is not only immoral but may well sow the seeds for future Sinwars.

Yes some would support him on the marches, the ones that hit, spit and shout down those that condemn hamas. The sole Iranian man showed that to be true, they wander along in the marchers, they hide within, much like hamas hide within, similar tactics, they dislike the stance of anti hamas being spoken.

The police removed him, the man actually speaking against terrorism so as not to inflame 'peace' marchers. The irony. Speak out against hamas and get removed.... no freedom of speech for him.

ConnieCounter · 18/02/2024 16:31

Hmm I wonder what could possibly have stunted economic growth in Gaza. Such a mystery.

quantumbutterfly · 18/02/2024 15:46

Which goes back to an age old trope about funding, it's not so much the amount you have as what you do with it. Are you one of those people who think netanyahu engineered 7/10 as a fundraiser.

Auvergne63 · 18/02/2024 15:41

quantumbutterfly · 18/02/2024 15:24

Billions of dollars of funding have been thrown at Gaza, it could have thrived yet it's leaders chose to teach hate, encourage jihad and plan atrocities...this is the result. Where is their accountability?

Netanyahu is one of these who threw millions at Hamas. This is well documented. Do you condemn him? I condemn both.

ScrollingLeaves · 18/02/2024 15:38

ABCDEFGHIJK123456 · 18/02/2024 13:32

Sinwar is a sick cowardly individual hiding behind woman and children he is no man. Allah would be ashamed of him, no love or peace in him at all.

Scum. No idea why some won't condemn these vile leaders who bring nothing but negatives to the people of Palestine

I entirely agree with what you say about him. Was your post implying that some people here would applaud him?

If so, people on here who think the IDF’s behaviour is horrendous do not believe by default that Sinwar and his monstrous massacring, raping and kidnapping terrorists of Oct 7 are somehow worthy.

Israel’s over response may be understandable on an emotional human level, but it is unreasonable. It is not only immoral but may well sow the seeds for future Sinwars.

quantumbutterfly · 18/02/2024 15:24

Billions of dollars of funding have been thrown at Gaza, it could have thrived yet it's leaders chose to teach hate, encourage jihad and plan atrocities...this is the result. Where is their accountability?

ScrollingLeaves · 18/02/2024 15:19

quantumbutterfly · 18/02/2024 14:45

So Israeli soldiers grabbed a child, raped them, maimed them, murdered them then phoned their mums to celebrate...you're right, that's unforgivable.

The IDF grab Palestinian children by the thousands, with bombs and shells and aimed sniper bullets when they are in the mood. They also burn them to death, cut off their limbs, and suffocate them.

They are in addition starving them to death, not phoning but killing their mums, making thousands of children orphans and inflicting catastrophic psychological harm on them.
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quantumbutterfly · 18/02/2024 15:18

HazelSheep · 18/02/2024 15:04

I thought they just kill their parents, slowly starve children and make them drink filthy water until they are really ill, then deny them healthcare so they suffer greatly, traumatise them by dropping endless bombs forcing them to move from one place to the next, sleeping on the ground in the cold and wet all whilst ill and then eventually they succumb to either starvation, illness or get blown to pieces. Then post all over social media boasting about the children they have killed that day whilst looting their homes. Isn't that how the IDF prefer to do it?

Which social media are you following I wonder.

HazelSheep · 18/02/2024 15:04

quantumbutterfly · 18/02/2024 14:45

So Israeli soldiers grabbed a child, raped them, maimed them, murdered them then phoned their mums to celebrate...you're right, that's unforgivable.

I thought they just kill their parents, slowly starve children and make them drink filthy water until they are really ill, then deny them healthcare so they suffer greatly, traumatise them by dropping endless bombs forcing them to move from one place to the next, sleeping on the ground in the cold and wet all whilst ill and then eventually they succumb to either starvation, illness or get blown to pieces. Then post all over social media boasting about the children they have killed that day whilst looting their homes. Isn't that how the IDF prefer to do it?

quantumbutterfly · 18/02/2024 14:45

So Israeli soldiers grabbed a child, raped them, maimed them, murdered them then phoned their mums to celebrate...you're right, that's unforgivable.

Babyboomtastic · 18/02/2024 13:45

Humdingerydoo · 16/02/2024 17:10

I'm still curious how people marry this version of events with Hamas stating multiple times that October 7th was just a rehearsal and that they'll do it again and again and again. I know I already mentioned this once on this thread but it clearly could do with being repeated.

Please don't fall for any of this terrorist propaganda.

I'm not sure that Hamas SAYING they'd do it again justifies Israel ACTUALLY DOING it again 25 times back to back (and counting).

Perpetuating actual large scale genocide to kill those with genocidal ideation. Hmnnnn.

ABCDEFGHIJK123456 · 18/02/2024 13:33

He's a psychopath. May Allah strike him down.

ABCDEFGHIJK123456 · 18/02/2024 13:32

Sinwar is a sick cowardly individual hiding behind woman and children he is no man. Allah would be ashamed of him, no love or peace in him at all.

Scum. No idea why some won't condemn these vile leaders who bring nothing but negatives to the people of Palestine

ABCDEFGHIJK123456 · 18/02/2024 13:29

Peggysoonerthanlater · 17/02/2024 06:30

This.

Peggysoonerthanlater · 18/02/2024 12:21

Here's Sinwar again in previous fine form (sarcasm)

THE HAMAS LEADER IN GAZA | Who is Yahya Sinwar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV-vQ8BoFAg

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Peggysoonerthanlater · 17/02/2024 17:09

@quantumbutterfly "Don't know about everyone else on here but I find it difficult to understand (let alone trust) the viewpoint of a deluded, vengeful psychopath, though I appreciate the objective analyses from various pps."

You are not alone!

But IMO Iran are pulling the strings and they are more of a threat than Sinwar (who could well be dead by now if the IDF are doing their job......)

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Peggysoonerthanlater · 17/02/2024 17:06

@Dulra "because they are being investigated for genocide"

That is incorrect.

Stop making stuff up to fit you own narrative,

They have had to adhere to certain conditions and show proof they are doing so.

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quantumbutterfly · 17/02/2024 14:29

Don't know about everyone else on here but I find it difficult to understand (let alone trust) the viewpoint of a deluded, vengeful psychopath, though I appreciate the objective analyses from various pps.

The whole thing is like the worlds hardest jigsaw, we can't see the whole picture and loads of the pieces are missing anyway.

SummerFeverVenice · 17/02/2024 11:46

Peggysoonerthanlater · 16/02/2024 23:53

@DistingusedSocialCommentator
What happened IMO is not exactly what Hamas expected, but what Iran expected.
They (Hamas + Iran) expected Israel to do just what it actually did…

But they (Hamas) also expected Hezbollah to come to their aid by attacking from the north.

They (Hamas) did not expect Iran to throw them under the bus, and to have to bear the full burden of Israel’s wrath.

They did not expect Israel to recruit 320,000 reservists within a couple of days and get to the point of circulating these and other reservists so the economy does not grind to a standstill, while still maintaining an offensive initiative in Gaza while placing a huge force to make Hezbollah (and Iran) crap themselves

They (Iran) did not anticipate Biden’s “Don’t” speech * with such a quick deployment of two aircraft carriers aimed at nothing but physically exterminating the Iranian garrison in Syria.

*And we stand ready to move in additional assets as needed. Let me say again — to any country, any organization, anyone thinking of taking advantage of this situation, I have one word: Don't. Don't. Our hearts may be broken, but our resolve is clear.

Good points all. Yes, things did not go exactly to plan and there are cracks and disagreements within the enemies of Israel.

Sinwar’s comment saying that what happened after Oct 7th wasn’t exactly what he expected is so obvious my first thought reading it was “So what?”

You have to know when you do an atrocity like Oct 7th that you are unleashing chaos. That you are going to get far more than you would expect in consequences.