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Side by side placement of ukranian flag and palestinian flag

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TakeMe2Insanity · 14/02/2024 09:35

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/14/soho-theatre-bans-comedian-paul-currie-jewish-audience-members

Interesting situation: side by side placement of the flags.

It’s the bit, should a person on stage start arguing with the crowd? Should members of the audience object to flags on stage?

Soho theatre bans comedian after ‘verbal abuse’ of Jewish audience members

Venue says Paul Currie will not be invited back after allegations he verbally abused man who objected to Palestinian flag

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/14/soho-theatre-bans-comedian-paul-currie-jewish-audience-members

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stomachamelon · 14/02/2024 23:39

@inkworks273 I have written this on both of your threads to be clear.
'May they all pay for what they have done'
Members of the IDF are hostages.

Tatumm · 14/02/2024 23:37

Good. Hopefully his career is now over.

inkworks273 · 14/02/2024 23:36

@niceandnew "You cannot demand anyone to stand up for a flag of any country."

Once again he wasn't asked to stand up for the Palestinian flag.

"Would you clap for a banner stating "bring the hostages home"?"

Of course I would. Why wouldn't I? They are innocent people who have done nothing wrong. Of course I want them released.

1dayatatime · 14/02/2024 23:36

@inkworks273

Shelaugh
Yeah and I think the idea that feeling passionate excuses you is nonsensical. I could feel passionate about BLM but it doesn’t mean I’m allowed to throw a white person out of the room, or a black person who disagrees with critical race theory. In fact, when you watch videos of the Nuremberg rallies Hitler was pretty passionate.

"If the white person was being racist then I think it would be reasonable to throw them out."

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Please don't misrepresent or deliberately misinterpret @Shelaugh post - her point was that although she feels passionate about BLM it would not be appropriate to throw a white person out of the room based solely on her passionate support of BLM.

At no point did she mention the theoretical white person was being racist, although nice try on trying to bring the racism angle in as well.

stomachamelon · 14/02/2024 23:33

Soho Theatre have banned him.

niceandnew · 14/02/2024 23:31

inkworks273 · 14/02/2024 22:52

My problem with him is that he had a problem with the Palestinian flag. The fact that he enjoyed the show but then refused to stand and clap for the comedian because he waved a Palestinian flag makes it seem like he is racist against Palestinians. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to support the Palestinian people after seeing the horrors they are currently suffering.

@inkworks273 You cannot demand anyone to stand up for a flag of any country.
To put it into perspective for you: Would you clap for a banner stating "bring the hostages home"? Based on the direction of all your posts on this board I'm guessing you wouldn't. So how can you be not understanding that an Israeli who may have lost family and friends on October 7th is unwilling to applaud the Palestinian flag.

inkworks273 · 14/02/2024 23:31

@1dayatatime I was replying to @Humdingerydoo who said "You don't get to decide that someone is "racist against Palestinians" for not standing up for their flag"

1dayatatime · 14/02/2024 23:28

inkworks273 · 14/02/2024 21:45

@1dayatatime He wasn't encouraging a standing ovation for the Palestinian flag. He was encouraging a standing ovation for his show.

Sorry but the misrepresentation and or deliberate misinterpretation of facts is becoming tiresome.

At no point did I say that the standing ovation was for the flag and it was most likely for the show. However the failure of the particular audience member to stand then created this incident.

Lastly it's a bit sad that a comedian has to ask his audience for a standing ovation as I thought these things were spontaneous and not on request.

stomachamelon · 14/02/2024 23:27

@inkworks273 that's a massive reach.
More justifying the unjustifiable.

apple.news/ATyCYFt1iQ9mcGSZJAvchYw

Anti- semitism is the new rock n roll!

inkworks273 · 14/02/2024 23:24

@etmoiandme I've just been replying to posts directed at me.

inkworks273 · 14/02/2024 23:21

@Humdingerydoo He wasn't asked to stand up for the flag. He was so offended by the comedian displaying the flag that he refused to stand up and clap for the comedian at the end of his show.

Babyboomtastic · 14/02/2024 23:21

No one was 'standing for the flag'. It was a standing ovation for the show. The man in question was sat in the front row.

It's by no means compulsory to join in a standing ovation for a show, but its the socially acceptable thing to do - especially if you're in the front row. Its definitely making a statement not to.

The Comedian should but have asked why - that's rude, and his outburst was even ruder. However, he was not chucked out for being Jewish - there's not even an indication the Comedian knew this.

It was unacceptable behaviour from the Comedian, but not antisemetic.

etmoiandme · 14/02/2024 23:03

inkworks273 · 14/02/2024 22:52

My problem with him is that he had a problem with the Palestinian flag. The fact that he enjoyed the show but then refused to stand and clap for the comedian because he waved a Palestinian flag makes it seem like he is racist against Palestinians. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to support the Palestinian people after seeing the horrors they are currently suffering.

Woah that's a stretch!! He's Israeli - of course the flag is going to make him feel uncomfortable in the wake of 7/10. But that's not really what's pissing you off is it? You've been on this thread all day going round in circles with excuse after excuse to hate on this guy. As soon as someone calls out your argument, you just move onto the next excuse.

Humdingerydoo · 14/02/2024 23:02

No, @inkworks273 . You don't get to decide that someone is "racist against Palestinians" for not standing up for their flag.

Again, the Palestinian leader still hasn't condemned Hamas' massacre and hostage-taking on 7th October. Surely you can see why someone, specially an Israeli, therefore wouldn't want to stand up for their flag. And if you can't see that then I really can't help you.

inkworks273 · 14/02/2024 22:52

My problem with him is that he had a problem with the Palestinian flag. The fact that he enjoyed the show but then refused to stand and clap for the comedian because he waved a Palestinian flag makes it seem like he is racist against Palestinians. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to support the Palestinian people after seeing the horrors they are currently suffering.

queenofarles · 14/02/2024 22:49

Did anyone actually listen to the Audience member speak ? I did , and all he said was that he didn’t like the comparison between Ukraine and Palestine and felt it wasn’t a fair comparison , didn’t stand up,
, then they were singled out by Paul said "thanks to these two for not standing up and clapping "
then Liahav said " thanks for the Palestine flag", Paul asked him if he enjoyed the show? He said he did up till the moment he showed the Palestinian flag. Paul curses and throws them out , while saying ceasefire now,
the comedian outburst was totally unacceptable and frankly deserves being banned . but how can it be interpreted as "Jewish/Israeli theatre goer thrown out for being Jewish? "

Humdingerydoo · 14/02/2024 22:47

inkworks273 · 14/02/2024 22:42

@Humdingerydoo I don't have a problem with anyone who believes Israel has the right to exist. I only have a problem with people who believe Israel has the right to do what it is currently doing to the Palestinians.

Thank you for clarifying. So you don't have a problem with Israel and therefore I assume you don't have a problem with Israelis.

So what's your problem with this Israeli man in the audience? Why can't you just acknowledge that he was treated incredibly badly and unfairly? Why don't you just admit that he was a victim of harassment and Paul Currie acted in an absolutely despicable manner?

inkworks273 · 14/02/2024 22:42

@Humdingerydoo I don't have a problem with anyone who believes Israel has the right to exist. I only have a problem with people who believe Israel has the right to do what it is currently doing to the Palestinians.

Humdingerydoo · 14/02/2024 22:35

inkworks273 · 14/02/2024 22:27

@Humdingerydoo "And I'm saying you should be condemning him regardless because his behaviour was utterly deplorable. He was intimidating and harassing a paying member of his audience. That should have been unacceptable to you regardless of the person's ethnicity or religion."

If that paying member of his audience is supportive of what Israel is doing in Gaza then I'd find it hard to have much sympathy for him to be honest.

He never once said during the show that he was supportive of Israel's actions in Gaza. He was bullied, harassed and intimidated purely because he didn't stand up for the flags. So based purely on that, Paul Currie was 100% in the wrong.

Now, even if he is supportive of Israel's actions in Gaza he still shouldn't have been hounded out like that because he has a right to his opinion plus he didn't even voice that opinion so he did absolutely nothing wrong.

I get the feeling that you think supporters of the state of Israel's existence just shouldn't be allowed to exist or at the very least should all be locked up. Would that be an accurate statement? I'm only asking because of your insistence on it being perfectly acceptable to throw an Israeli out of a room without actual cause.

EllaDisenchanted · 14/02/2024 22:28

@inkworks273 If you thought they were being racist it would be reasonable to report their actions to the authorities, not throw them out of a public venue.

inkworks273 · 14/02/2024 22:27

@Humdingerydoo "And I'm saying you should be condemning him regardless because his behaviour was utterly deplorable. He was intimidating and harassing a paying member of his audience. That should have been unacceptable to you regardless of the person's ethnicity or religion."

If that paying member of his audience is supportive of what Israel is doing in Gaza then I'd find it hard to have much sympathy for him to be honest.

inkworks273 · 14/02/2024 22:24

Shelaugh · 14/02/2024 22:15

Yeah and I think the idea that feeling passionate excuses you is nonsensical. I could feel passionate about BLM but it doesn’t mean I’m allowed to throw a white person out of the room, or a black person who disagrees with critical race theory. In fact, when you watch videos of the Nuremberg rallies Hitler was pretty passionate.

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If the white person was being racist then I think it would be reasonable to throw them out.

Shelaugh · 14/02/2024 22:17

Humdingerydoo · 14/02/2024 22:10

And I'm saying you should be condemning him regardless because his behaviour was utterly deplorable. He was intimidating and harassing a paying member of his audience. That should have been unacceptable to you regardless of the person's ethnicity or religion.

This is it: unacceptable for any reason. I think he got caught up in mob mentality himself and didn’t stop to think that there’s a world outside the echo chamber. Shows how dangerous groupthink is.

Shelaugh · 14/02/2024 22:15

Yeah and I think the idea that feeling passionate excuses you is nonsensical. I could feel passionate about BLM but it doesn’t mean I’m allowed to throw a white person out of the room, or a black person who disagrees with critical race theory. In fact, when you watch videos of the Nuremberg rallies Hitler was pretty passionate.

Humdingerydoo · 14/02/2024 22:10

inkworks273 · 14/02/2024 22:07

@Humdingerydoo I'm not adamant this one person is telling the truth. I literally said I don't know exactly what happened as I wasn't there. All I'm saying is from what we've heard so far I don't see any evidence of antisemitism. I've also said if evidence does come out that he was being antisemitic then I will condemn him.

And I'm saying you should be condemning him regardless because his behaviour was utterly deplorable. He was intimidating and harassing a paying member of his audience. That should have been unacceptable to you regardless of the person's ethnicity or religion.

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