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Standing up for Israel

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Fizzadora · 07/02/2024 11:41

So, they have got to MN now too.
I just managed to read the previous post before it got deleted for being inflammatory. Not to me it wasn't but then I don't support terrorists.
Many, many people do stand for Israel and not for Hamas (and by definition their supporters; you know who you are).

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quantumbutterfly · 08/02/2024 21:45

Helpful...always good to do your research.

ChickHenLittle · 08/02/2024 21:43

quantumbutterfly · 08/02/2024 21:32

What happened in 1967?

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https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=1967+Palestine

Fussandmisery · 08/02/2024 21:39

The Six Day War
(This exchange could go on a while 🙃)

quantumbutterfly · 08/02/2024 21:39
Halo
anotherlevel · 08/02/2024 21:36

What happened in 1967?

There you go @Fussandmisery. exactly what @Scirocco is saying will happen.

quantumbutterfly · 08/02/2024 21:32

Fussandmisery · 08/02/2024 21:22

Go on…
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What happened in 1967?

Scirocco · 08/02/2024 21:28

@Fussandmisery I think there's a hope that you or someone else might give dates that can the be argued about, or say something to which offence can be taken.

The international recognition of Palestinian Territories having been occupied pre-dates 7/10. Therefore, the surrender of the terrorist group/political entity responsible and the release of hostages taken on 7/10 is unlikely to be the solution to occupation.

Fussandmisery · 08/02/2024 21:22

Go on…
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Scirocco · 08/02/2024 21:21

quantumbutterfly · 08/02/2024 20:14

Would you like to try and explain your comment?

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The previous poster said that Hamas laying down arms and releasing hostages (both of which I absolutely believe they should do) would result in Israel leaving Palestine.

That's unlikely.

The occupation of Palestinian Territories did not begin following 7/10.

There are no grounds to believe that Hamas's surrender would lead to an end to occupation, especially given the severe trauma experienced by both Israelis and Palestinians during this. An end to occupation will require a lot more than that, including a willingness to make difficult compromises to achieve a sustainable peace and co-existence where there is currently a lot of fear and pain. There are some extremely right-wing and anti-Palestinian voices in government in Israel, who will likely not rush to make any form of withdrawal.

quantumbutterfly · 08/02/2024 21:21

Go on.....

Fussandmisery · 08/02/2024 21:21

When the occupation began? Oh ok,
I think I know this one.

quantumbutterfly · 08/02/2024 21:03

quantumbutterfly · 08/02/2024 20:14

Would you like to try and explain your comment?

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About when occupation began....obviously.🙄

Fussandmisery · 08/02/2024 20:56

Would you like to try and explain your comment?
Im guessing she means Hamas laying down their arms wouldn’t end the occupation of Palestinian territories (the West Bank)?
It wouldn’t resolve the issue of the Palestinians not having a state either.

ProfessorPipsqueak · 08/02/2024 20:46

Februaryfeels · 08/02/2024 18:30

If you mean me, then no I didn't miss anything.

One would result in the other

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Israel are internationally recognised illegal occupiers and have Gaza under an illegal blockade, they have shown no plans to stop being illegal occupiers when this conflict ends. They are pumping more and more money into illegal settlements. So it isn't a given at all that if Hamas lay down their arms Israel will leave. It is far more likely that if Hamas lay down their arms Israel will continue with their illegal treatment of Palestinians until the whole thing blows up again and Israel pretends to not know why this keeps happening.

quantumbutterfly · 08/02/2024 20:14

Scirocco · 08/02/2024 19:37

Occupation didn't begin in 2023.

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Would you like to try and explain your comment?

Scirocco · 08/02/2024 19:37

Februaryfeels · 08/02/2024 18:30

If you mean me, then no I didn't miss anything.

One would result in the other

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Occupation didn't begin in 2023.

Februaryfeels · 08/02/2024 18:30

midgetastic · 08/02/2024 18:23

I think you lost some words

If Hamas and Israel laid down their arms and Israel left Palestine then the whole thing would stop

If you mean me, then no I didn't miss anything.

One would result in the other

midgetastic · 08/02/2024 18:23

I think you lost some words

If Hamas and Israel laid down their arms and Israel left Palestine then the whole thing would stop

ChickHenLittle · 08/02/2024 18:18

Februaryfeels · 08/02/2024 12:14

And yet pp is still correct

It could stop today if Hamas laid down their arms and the hostages were released.

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It really wouldn't.

Coyoacan · 08/02/2024 13:09

This conflict is a religious one - if Israelis were Muslim there's be no conflict at all. Ignoring the fact that religion is the basis of the conflict is what is stopping the conflict from ending

Nothing like getting things back to front. Israel is an apartheid state where people who are not ethnically Jewish do not have the same rights.

Fussandmisery · 08/02/2024 12:45

And yet pp is still correct

It could stop today if Hamas laid down their arms and the hostages were released.

That wouldn’t solve everything though. Violence against Palestinians in the West Bank would presumably still continue? The current government in Israel would remain?

Mercurial123 · 08/02/2024 12:41

MumoftwoGirls11 · 08/02/2024 12:19

Is it a conflict that unites and energises the entire 1.8 billion Muslims in the world?

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It doesn't have to be. It's serious enough.

MumoftwoGirls11 · 08/02/2024 12:19

Mercurial123 · 08/02/2024 11:45

Don't be ridiculous. Heard of Shia Islam and conflict with Sunnis?

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Is it a conflict that unites and energises the entire 1.8 billion Muslims in the world?

Februaryfeels · 08/02/2024 12:14

Auvergne63 · 08/02/2024 09:33

it could stop today with hostage release & hamas laying down their arms.
Netanyahu has rejected Hamas' ceasefire proposal. He has not intention of stopping the slaughter of innocent Palestinians. Why is that?

And yet pp is still correct

It could stop today if Hamas laid down their arms and the hostages were released.

Februaryfeels · 08/02/2024 12:12

MumoftwoGirls11 · 08/02/2024 10:41

This conflict is a religious one - if Israelis were Muslim there's be no conflict at all. Ignoring the fact that religion is the basis of the conflict is what is stopping the conflict from ending.

No it's not.