Standing up for Israel

Agreed, I didn't reply to the post you quoted as I found it quite offensive, to be completely honest.

Could I check if you're asking me or the poster I quoted?

This is a really unhelpful response.

If you would just stop and think for a second you might realise that the terrorism is hurting the Palestinians as much as Israelis.
Wisdom is recognising that revenge and hate are never the answer.
It took time - but most Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland realised that “an alternative path to hate and terrorism “ was possible…. And that HAS led to increased stability and economic prosperity. ( although no one can be complacent that the bad old days could not return)

Hmmmmm interesting.

@Auvergne63

Ladyjanegreysketle
Emotive nonsense.

Did we stop bombing Germany in case we created more Nazis?

Did USA stop (conventionally) bombing Japan in case it encouraged more Kamikazi pilots?

No I didn't think so.

I could make comparisons too with Nazi Germany...
Before I get jumped on, my great aunt was a French resistant who was arrested by the gestapo, tortured and sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau. She survived and went on to work for the UN, you know the antisemitic organisation."

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Although the story of Charlotte Delbo is impressive and courageous, I don't see the relevance to the post by @Ladyjanegreysketle other than they both occurred in WW2.

@fleurneige Yayha Sinwar?

@fleurneige

"So you admit very clearly that Hamas leaders are not in Palestine, and therefore cannt de destroyed by bombing Palestine.

Some honesty, at last. So why continue to bomb the population, if Hamas leaders are sunning themselves in the Middle East ? Own foot - shot."

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Oh dear.

I think you'll find that the objective of in any war is to kill the people on the other side with guns (although I recognise there is much debate about how effective the Israelis are at this). If the objective is to four individuals then it is called an assassination.

It was rather amusing though that you genuinely thought you had a "gotcha moment " when in reality it was just an inability to understand the differences between a war and an assassination.

@inkworks273

"Ah yes. If only the Palestinians would stop hating the people throwing them out of their homes and building settlements on their land."

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Ahh sadly it didn't take long for the
balanced post that sought to understand the situation from both sides to be replaced by the usual emotive tirades.

Although I am disappointed that you failed to include the obligatory buzz words and in future posts please include the following (even if it's not relevant to the topic) wherever possible:genocide, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, fascism, Nazis, etc etc.

So you admit very clearly that Hamas leaders are not in Palestine, and therefore cannt de destroyed by bombing Palestine.

Some honesty, at last. So why continue to bomb the population, if Hamas leaders are sunning themselves in the Middle East ? Own foot - shot.

Why was my post deleted?

Can you give me an example where the end of colonial rule was not proceeded by horrendous death of the indigenous population? Honest question- because I can’t think of one. Resistance to occupation is what drove the colonisers out. It was highly effective.
You can’t subdue anger with more violence- Israel will have to negotiate. From what I’ve read/ the attacks by Hezbollah have vastly increased after bombardment of Gaza. It’s all linked.

I could make comparisons too with Nazi Germany...
Before I get jumped on, my great aunt was a French resistant who was arrested by the gestapo, tortured and sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau. She survived and went on to work for the UN, you know the antisemitic organisation.

@1dayatatime
"I would also add that it also important for Palestinian to see an alternative path to hate and terrorism by making the West Bank a stable and economic success."

Ah yes. If only the Palestinians would stop hating the people throwing them out of their homes and building settlements on their land.

@Scirocco

"It's what happened next that's where I believe some people may have gone from seeking justice against Hamas to seeking vengeance against Palestinians. There were alternatives to how this unfolded. There still are alternatives."

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A great summary and finally a balanced posts that seeks to understand the situation from both sides rather than an emotive buzz word strewn tirade.

I would also add that it also important for Palestinian to see an alternative path to hate and terrorism by making the West Bank a stable and economic success.

It's really not the same thing at all. Israel are occupiers. So long as they keep occupying and killing and controlling there will be friction. Pre 7/10 Israel conducted the deadliest year yet for children in the Westbank, they killed more than 1 child a week. Israel pumped more money into building illegal settlements, they imprison, torture and abuse Palestinians often times with no trial. After this Israel won't piss off and leave Palestinians alone, they will continue with the abuse and the killing and pretend that Palestinians are just angry for no reason at all, that perhaps they were just born that way, who knows but it nothing to do with Israel because they like gays don't you know.

If only it were the Palestinian and Israeli mothers who held the power to negotiate …
There would be anger, fear, misunderstandings , accusations… but I’m sure they would never let their children suffer and collectively they would find a way through.
It’s always power hungry narcissistic men that are the problem- on both sides.

Well, there isn't any emotive language there, and I think it's fairly obvious how the destruction of an entire area could breed resentment amongst those in the line of fire.

OK, whatever you say 🙄

It's neither emotive nor nonsense.

Emotive nonsense.

Did we stop bombing Germany in case we created more Nazis?

Did USA stop (conventionally) bombing Japan in case it encouraged more Kamikazi pilots?

No I didn't think so.

what is happening now will feed terrorists, and breed them in their 1000s.

@Auvergne63 they did coordinate an attack on Israel. Is Israel just to hope it doesn't happen again? Historically countries have tried and Israel has put them back in their box.
Terrorism has to be dealt with.