Standing up for Israel

I think both sides need to stop hating and committing atrocities

Privileged?! I can't believe what I am reading here. Do you think we in Israel are happy about this war? Do you think we are so monstrous we would have any other reaction to Hind's death than sadness?? Yes, I am angry at Hamas. Yes, I fucking want them gone. I want them never ever to be in a position to be able to attempt anything remotely like October 7th again. I want our hostages home. But trust me when I say I and NO-ONE I know is happy to hear about the deaths of innocents. War is vile and it is sickening and it is painful.

How much have you demonised us that you could honestly sit and write "when do Palestinians get to 'eliminate' the people that they want?" - well they got that chance on October 7th, and again in the shooting attack in Jerusalem in November at a bus-stop my husband and niece use, where that oh so dangerous pregnant teacher died, and again recently in Raanana, when 79 year old Edna Blustein was murdered, and a load of schoolchildren injured. Oh and they tried another stabbing attack again today in Jerusalem. If that had been successful, would that mean we are a bit less privileged? If they hadn't evacuated 80,000 people up north and that rocket barrage on thursday and friday had killed people, would that be better? I felt really privileged last week when my young son went to a funeral instead of school, for his headmaster's son. Attack after attack is sent at civilians, the rockets aim for our cities. The "people [Hamas] want to eliminate" are all of us. My 4 year old knows the position to assume if we are caught outside in a siren and I know I would lie on top of her.

Support the Palestinians, stand up for what you believe in - I get it, I really really do, but please take one minute to remember that Israelis are people too, and this kind of rhetoric hurts.

All of these things are terrible. Obviously.

Murdered and raped their citizens … yeah Israel has done that as well
hold women and children hostage. Yeah Israel has done that as well keeping people in their prison without a trial for years (or a fair trial and tortured them in the meantime)
vow to destroy Gaza , yeah Israel has done that. In sept even Israel’s pm showed a map with no sign of Palestine in the map , all in the map was Israel

I said that in response to a pp who said that Palestinians in the West Bank had to stop hating. My point being that if they are to stop hating then maybe Israel needs to stop the illegal settlements. Do you agree?

My post didn't mention Hamas.

I have reported this thread and OP/user for supporting war crimes by Israel . There is no reason or justification for murdering innocent people. Accusing people of supporting Hamas is ridiculous just because they are calling to attention the hypocrisy to murder by Israel. MN need to deal with these users and acknowledge that international courts have concluded that Israel is and has been committing war crimes.

You said “"Ah yes. If only the Palestinians would stop hating the people throwing them out of their homes and building settlements on their land."

So … “Ah yes. If only the Israelis would stop feeling threatened by the terrorist group that murdered and raped their citizens , hold women and children hostage and vow to destroy Israel.”

How many times does it have to be said that civilians hiding in tunnels alongside Hamas is the definition of human shields.
It's also well known that the IDF are targeting tunnels in many ways, so not the brightest of ideas to hide in a place that is a well known target whether Hamas allows it or doesn't

Sorry @ChickHenLittle
it was aimed at @Ladyjanegreysketle

@ProfessorPipsqueak so Hamas are the elected and wanted representatives of the Palestinians and they are needed to protect the Palestinians then? Prevent them from their homes being stolen? Terrorise their children?

That sound somewhat apologist.

Hopefully they will gain the freedom they deserve. From people who hide behind them, tunnel under them, steal their food and prevent them from entering bomb shelters.

I still don’t get what this has to do with my post.

@fleurneige

"And what next. Once the lover ranks are killed, the major Leaders will just roll over and say 'ah well- never mind. Let's forget about our Palestine'. Do you really think so?"

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We are already seeing dissent and anger from the Hamas leadership that remained in Gaza towards the more senior Hamas that are safely in Qatar.

So when a large number of lower rank Hamas are killed or the war ends then either a new group takes over in Gaza which could be more extreme (eg PIJ) or less extreme than Hamas (eg Fatah) or Hamas stays in control but by those Hamas leaders that stayed in Gaza.

Either way those Hamas leaders in Qatar will find themselves without support and deeply unpopular for sitting the war out in comfort whilst ordinary Gazans suffered. As such it is quite likely that they will suffer an unfortunate end but not by the hands of the Israelis.

@fleurneige

"Some here the bombing of Palestine has to continue to destroy Hamas and mainly its leaders. A poster has clearly said the leaders of Hamas are not in Palestine. So why continue to kill thousands of innocents. A very clear and simple question."

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Hmmm - I don't think you quite fully understand, so I will try and give a simple and clear answer.

So the main Hamas leaders are currently living in Qatar. Namely :
Ismail Haniyeh, the chief of Hamas's political bureau, Khalil al-Hayya, head of Hamas's communications office, Khaled Mashal, Hamas's former political chief

Then there are around 20,000 armed Hamas in Gaza that Israel wants to eliminate so that they won't or are not able to attack Israel again.

Then there are approximately 2 million Palestinian civilians in Gaza, a large number of whom have also been killed in the conflict

Reread my post and you will understand.

At the moment there is hate and fear on both sides and everyone is going round in circles.
It’s very hard for people in the thick of things but those of us who are fortunate to live in peace should try to bring the temperature down - for the sake of all of us

I have no idea what the upper echelons of Hamas will do or think, so I can't help you there.
You could try this -

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So you kill more thousands of innocents- and some of their lower rank- and the Leaders are still out there 'sunning themselves'. And what next. Once the lover ranks are killed, the major Leaders will just roll over and say 'ah well- never mind. Let's forget about our Palestine'. Do you really think so?

@ChickHenLittle What part of my post did you find offensive? Surely you'd agree that if you want to put a stop to the hate then you need to put a stop to what is causing the hate?

@fleurneige "A poster has clearly said the leaders of Hamas are not in Palestine. So why continue to kill thousands of innocents. A very clear and simple question."

The actual leaders aren't there but their terrorist generals and operatives are.

Sinwar is surrounded by hostages.

Some here the bombing of Palestine has to continue to destroy Hamas and mainly its leaders. A poster has clearly said the leaders of Hamas are not in Palestine. So why continue to kill thousands of innocents. A very clear and simple question.