Standing up for Israel

Mumsnet doesn't allow personal "attacks" so I largely now ignore the poster who does this because I find it really hard to sit on my hands.

But it's not nonsense. She does and my post was a reply to another poster who had noticed this too

If you don't quote almost exclusively from Al Jazeera then my post isn't referring to you but it's not nonsense

@ConnieCounter you would think Hamas wouldn't hide hostages in civilians homes and around children? It's not as if they don't have plenty of tunnels.

Or Hamas could just hand over the hostages even the ones held by other groups and civilians. If they were intent on stopping needless death?

@Februaryfeels If it's not on aljazeera, then some people don't see anything at all

this is. * *

@Februaryfeels that's been proven on both counts. Truth sits uncomfortably with some virtue signallers.

Oh I thought you meant recently. I get my news from all sorts of sources, mainstream and others, thanks.

OK fair play they released 3 hostages by military means in the last 4 months, not 2. The same number they've shot on sight. And last night's operation involved several massacres that killed 67 people so far so forgive me if I'm not jumping for joy at Israel's amazing achievement. I'm actually very sad about the deaths and the fact that there's almost definitely more to come.

What's nonsense?

That hostages were kept in "ordinary" homes

Or that some posters quote almost exclusively from aljazeera?

@Februaryfeels that's nonsense

@Limeandsodaontherocks If it's not on aljazeera, then some people don't see anything at all

Certainly reports from previous hostages would indicate that ordinary Gazans were "accommodating" them

I'm glad at least a couple of innocent hostages have been released

Yes, of course they are. But it wasn't Israel who decided that actually, those extra goodwill hostages we released yesterday? Let's count them towards today's quota of hostages instead 👍🏻 And then decided not to provide a new list of hostages to release, thus ending the agreement.

Israel and Hamas were equally responsible for the failure of the negotiations and also breaches of the ceasefire

Is Israel ever responsible for anything in your estimation?

Yes, it's a shame Hamas decided not to keep releasing hostages in order to extend the ceasefire. Continued hostage release would have been infinitely better than all these needlessly lost lives.

Whether it's 2 or 3 rescued by military intervention - it's a tiny proportion of the total 240 hostages

Particularly considering 110 hostages were released by negotiation

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The first rescued hostage was Ori. She was rescued back in October. I guess it's quite telling how few people seem to be aware of it. It's almost like they get their news from websites that would never think to write anything positive about Israel.

I think that it quite obvious that the Israeli Occupation have murdered and maimed thousands upon thousands.

Deliberately targering hospitals. Assaulting and murdering doctors, nurses, patients, ambulance drivers and the list goes on.

Snipers placed outside hospitals. Israeli Forces preventing oxygen and fuel from being delivered to hospitals which resulted in the deaths of innocents. (How would you feel if this were you, or a family member, in hospital and no oxygen when it is needed?)

Hospital being blocked off by sand. Nobody allowed in or out.

A church being under seige on Christmas. No food or water inside. Snipers outside targering children.

The list goes on and on.

I think you see whatever you want to see.

It's absolutely disgusting

Ha I think Israel have shown exactly what they are.

They are barbaric. Along with countless other things.

Targeting children and babies.

Totally gross. The justification of killing and maiming, orphaning tens of thousands of people. Not an ounce of empathy or sympathy shown.

But wow, 2 hostages freed - not as many as the IDF shot but still.

I have not seen anything of the sort.

What I have seen time and time again, are posters dehumanising Palestinian lives

I didn't hear anything about a third so take that up with the media I guess?

I've just seen footage of injured children and women so far. Maybe the kids were in Hamas? I don't know.

Edited out a silly comment I made.

3 hostages. People always seem to forget about the female soldier they rescued.

How many of those 67 were terrorists? And how many of them were killed by Hamas bullets / explosive devices? Or do you not consider that relevant?

The issue the posters had was that there was no where for them to be evacuated to! That issue has not been solved. I welcome the fact that 2 hostages have been rescued but I also worry about the million or so people living (starving) in tents with no where to go.

Not because Israel are barbaric, or out to do evil and to commit genocide as you are so eager to believe.
Have not seen any evidence yet to suggest otherwise

I also don’t understand this post.

7/10 was horrific terrorism.
The attack on Gaza is horrific.

It’s all wrong and has to stop.

Fair play. 4 months in they've managed to release 2 hostages by military means.

Shame about all the kids who died last night. 67 people in total so far I believe.