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Standing up for Israel

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Fizzadora · 07/02/2024 11:41

So, they have got to MN now too.
I just managed to read the previous post before it got deleted for being inflammatory. Not to me it wasn't but then I don't support terrorists.
Many, many people do stand for Israel and not for Hamas (and by definition their supporters; you know who you are).

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BackandForthRoundandRound · 13/02/2024 06:53

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3QXjlTt35P/?igsh=MXI0ZzgzbXpicXFoNQ== Graphic Images ~ "Where is the conscience of the world?"

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3QXjlTt35P?igsh=MXI0ZzgzbXpicXFoNQ%3D%3D

Ladyjanegreysketle · 13/02/2024 06:42

@BackandForthRoundandRound "Ahh likely explains the bloodthirsty nature I've seen on here also then!"

Where?

Ladyjanegreysketle · 13/02/2024 06:41

ChickHenLittle · 12/02/2024 18:34

Eek. They just shoot themselves in the foot continuously.

" A short clip at the end of the video, claiming to show tents and shelter"

No clip seen.

Most field hospitals use the same equipment.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 13/02/2024 06:05

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BoxOfPaints · 12/02/2024 20:59

It's hilarious (without actually being funny) that people think Israel needs people to stand up for it. It's got nuclear weapons, military support from the US which is for all practical purposes unlimited and unconditional, and is ignoring international law with impunity. It's slaughtered nearly 30 times the number of people killed on 7 October, including over 11,000 children. Meanwhile Palestinians are starving to death, having limbs amputated without anaesthetic and dying of dysentery in tents, when they're not being bombed to smithereens or gunned down in their cars. Gaza's main aid agency has been defunded at Israel's urging in the absence of evidence, and Israeli settlers are trying to block even the meagre amounts of aid which are still getting in. And polling shows that a majority of Israelis think the army isn't using enough firepower in Gaza. Christ knows what they think the IDF should actually do.

anotherlevel · 12/02/2024 20:06

Netanyahu: Securing hostages' release and eliminating Hamas 'not mutually exclusive'
ABC News’ Jonathan Karl interviews Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on “This Week.”

abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/netanyahu-securing-hostages-release-eliminating-hamas-mutually-exclusive-107138466

ChickHenLittle · 12/02/2024 18:54

EasterIssland · 12/02/2024 18:44

It’s not what I believe it’s what some would have answered to the poster I was replying because it’s what I keep being told “it’s all Hamas fault nothing but Hamas. Idf is the most moral army in the world” 🤷🏻‍♀️

Sorry I probably worded my post wrong - I agree, I meant that many will still say so but I don't imagine even they truly believe it at this stage.
I meant Hamas hold some of the blame, but a heck of a lot lies with the IDF and Israeli government. What the IDF have done is absolutely unforgiveable.

stomachameleon · 12/02/2024 18:46

@EasterIssland show me one poster that said that on here?

EasterIssland · 12/02/2024 18:44

ChickHenLittle · 12/02/2024 18:33

I wanted to say thanks for the links I asked about, which were posted upthread - this thread moves so fast I struggle to keep up.

Regarding the quoted post - I don't think many (truly) believe it at this stage. Of course they hold some of the blame, but not all. Not by a long shot.

It’s not what I believe it’s what some would have answered to the poster I was replying because it’s what I keep being told “it’s all Hamas fault nothing but Hamas. Idf is the most moral army in the world” 🤷🏻‍♀️

ChickHenLittle · 12/02/2024 18:34

anotherlevel · 12/02/2024 18:17

This was on The State of Israel's official page which has now been deleted.

Is this the Israel you stand with?
Israel the state that is providing aid to the Palestinian civilians?
Is this about Hamas?

x.com/Shayan86/status/1757032141454446758?s=20

Eek. They just shoot themselves in the foot continuously.

Auvergne63 · 12/02/2024 18:33

anotherlevel · 12/02/2024 18:17

This was on The State of Israel's official page which has now been deleted.

Is this the Israel you stand with?
Israel the state that is providing aid to the Palestinian civilians?
Is this about Hamas?

x.com/Shayan86/status/1757032141454446758?s=20

How can anyone with an ounce of intelligence trust a government who continuously lies to them?

ChickHenLittle · 12/02/2024 18:33

EasterIssland · 12/02/2024 16:02

i know the answer you’re going to receive “yes. But it’s Hamas and only Hamas fault”

I wanted to say thanks for the links I asked about, which were posted upthread - this thread moves so fast I struggle to keep up.

Regarding the quoted post - I don't think many (truly) believe it at this stage. Of course they hold some of the blame, but not all. Not by a long shot.

anotherlevel · 12/02/2024 18:17

This was on The State of Israel's official page which has now been deleted.

Is this the Israel you stand with?
Israel the state that is providing aid to the Palestinian civilians?
Is this about Hamas?

x.com/Shayan86/status/1757032141454446758?s=20

whatsitcalledwhen · 12/02/2024 16:34

stomachameleon · 12/02/2024 15:19

@ConnieCounter I am in favour of liberating the hostages.

Even if that involves bombing a refugee camp?

Genuine question. Is that what you believe? That the bombing of the camp was justified because it was to liberate hostages?

stomachameleon · 12/02/2024 16:22

@Humdingerydoo I agree with that.

Humdingerydoo · 12/02/2024 16:17

Auvergne63 · 12/02/2024 16:05

Ex-Israeli PM makes devastating condemnation of Netanyahu’s war in Gazan | The Independent
Very interesting article, you will find. Btw, I am aware that he isn't squeaky clean and that he has an agenda as well.

His words on radio 4 were also interesting. He said ( I am paraphrasing here): " The only thing standing in the way of a viable resolution to this is Netanyahu."
I agree with him.

I wouldn't say the only thing, there are quite a few others, but I definitely agree that he is a major obstacle on the path to peace both short-term and long-term.

Dulra · 12/02/2024 16:14

quantumbutterfly · 12/02/2024 16:04

Yep

Wasn't aware the IDF were Hamas puppets...

We are all responsible for our own actions and the consequences of those actions. This is also true of the IDF

Auvergne63 · 12/02/2024 16:05

stomachameleon · 12/02/2024 12:16

Israel would not refuse a ceasefire if it was a workable one. The things Hamas asked for including the release of convicted murderers with several deaths under their belt would not be supported in light of Sinwar.

freebeacon.com/latest-news/unrwa-teacher-held-israeli-hostage-in-attic-for-almost-50-days-report/

I think it's hugely naive and massively improbable that no one is involved with Hamas. It might sit better with you but shani louk and her treatment show that normal civilians revelled in her death and mutilation. Spitting on her corpse.

It seems whatever is provided you would pick holes in. It happened last night. Two men taken against their will are free. So were they either hidden their on purpose which doesn't really fit the 'resistance' narrative or Israel knew they were in collaborators houses. I am sure in the coming days the hostages will speak.... I am sure that won't be good enough either. You bias shines through.

From Al jeezera...

Netanyahu said days ago rafah was next.
Do you then put two older hostages in a civilian area? Why are you not holding Hamas accountable for that?

Ex-Israeli PM makes devastating condemnation of Netanyahu’s war in Gazan | The Independent
Very interesting article, you will find. Btw, I am aware that he isn't squeaky clean and that he has an agenda as well.

His words on radio 4 were also interesting. He said ( I am paraphrasing here): " The only thing standing in the way of a viable resolution to this is Netanyahu."
I agree with him.

Ex-Israeli PM makes devastating condemnation of Netanyahu’s war in Gaza

Exclusive: Ehud Olmert tells The Independent that the ‘arrogance’ of his successor led to catastrophic security failures that allowed the bloody Hamas attack and that continuing an untenable military mission while hostages are still being held would be...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/netanyahu-olmert-gaza-offensive-israel-b2493430.html

Dulra · 12/02/2024 16:04

Humdingerydoo · 12/02/2024 14:32

I understood it to mean that they couldn't get out safely without it as they were being shot at. The soldiers were having to use their own bodies to protect the two hostages as they were under fire.

I understood it to mean that they couldn't get out safely without it as they were being shot at.
So yes a distraction to confuse the situation and allow a safe passage for the hostages. The airstrikes occurred in a different part of Rafah so once again Palestinians are expendable. It is just highlighting again that the IDF are not trying to limit civilian casualties because bombing an extremely built up area has no other end result than death and destruction. The Irish deputy prime Minister (Tànaiste) has suggested the bombardment of Rafah violates humanitarian law.

RTE news : Rafah operation 'violates humanitarian law' - Martin

http://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/0212/1431864-rafah-gaza-martin/

quantumbutterfly · 12/02/2024 16:04

EasterIssland · 12/02/2024 16:02

i know the answer you’re going to receive “yes. But it’s Hamas and only Hamas fault”

Yep

EasterIssland · 12/02/2024 16:02

anotherlevel · 12/02/2024 15:47

But not in favour of avoiding over 100 civilian deaths in the process?

i know the answer you’re going to receive “yes. But it’s Hamas and only Hamas fault”

anotherlevel · 12/02/2024 15:47

stomachameleon · 12/02/2024 15:19

@ConnieCounter I am in favour of liberating the hostages.

But not in favour of avoiding over 100 civilian deaths in the process?

ConnieCounter · 12/02/2024 15:22

stomachameleon · 12/02/2024 15:19

@ConnieCounter I am in favour of liberating the hostages.

Even if that means bombing a refugee camp?

I'm just trying to clarify your position as you objected to my earlier assumption.

stomachameleon · 12/02/2024 15:19

@ConnieCounter I am in favour of liberating the hostages.

ConnieCounter · 12/02/2024 15:00

stomachameleon · 12/02/2024 14:55

@ConnieCounter did I say that?

I presumed by arguing in favour of Israel re what happened last night that you must think the bombing was reasonable. Do you not agree with what Israel did? If not, my apologies.