Standing up for Israel

@Ladyjanegreysketle If we all had to be experts on a subject to be able to speak on it, this board wouldn't be very busy.

@inkworks273 please see the original interview if you are confused. The person said that Israel had a right to defend itself after October 7.

That's all your opinion again that your spouting. Not sure on the relevance?

Please enlighten us as to where you got your degree from, in International Law?

Just curious 🤔

What Israel is doing right now isn't defence. Under international law Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself in a land that it occupies.

Not the best example.
His views are 'interesting' to say the least.

@fleurneige I am not sure it's the gotcha moment you think it is. And typical that you couldn't get past the frothing of excitement that a Jew was on board.

Try listening to what they said.... it's not the coup you think it is.

And I am pleased 1000s agree with Israel's right to defend itself and exist.

Avi Shlaim? You might want to look a bit deeper into him and some of his more spurious nonsense. Not to mention his simping for Assad.

No, he has nothing to do with Erdogan

Straight from the mouthpiece of Erdoğan.

Just thought I'd share this insightful interview with an Israeli historian that covers the topics of antisemitism as well as current events

It’s a shame the Palestinians aren’t as free to voice their disapproval of Hamas.

Is this based on anything or did you just make it up?

By that maths, each person who stands by Israel also represents 1000s & 1000s more.

Yes, just one person who represents 1000s and 1000s more. I of course only posted one as a representation.

You mean one Jewish person disagrees with the actions of the current Israeli government but supports it's right to exist, according to a clip from a random facebook page spamming posts about how Israel is exactly the same as 1940s Germany and shouldn't exist.

@fleurneige listening to that I think that statement is a bit misleading....that's one person on a phone in.

They said
They still believe in Israel's right to defend itself.
In Israel's right to exist.

They just thought things could have been done differently.

Which tbh I think is a sentiment most people share.

So many Jews feel they just can't stand with Israel at the moment

https://www.facebook.com/reel/694005239544041

Thanks 🙏 I did hear about the Bedouin victims and hostages, and many of the heroic acts of the Bedouin community on October 7th were shared on the social media sites I follow (mainly Jewish sources). I have huge respect and gratitude to them for their sacrifice and bravery.

I particularly remember aisha and her brother, as they were among the last to be released in the last set of negotiations. Their father and brother remain hostage in Gaza 💔

I’m very glad to hear steps are being taken to deal with the unique challenges the Bedouins have faced following October 7th and they should rightfully be honoured in Israel.

https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-785519

@1dayatatime I remember them as friendly, cheerful, hard working but poor, resilient, optimistic about their future and generally making the best of things. I definitely heard of a couple of cases of displacement to make room for settlers recently, which made me sad. I had no idea how long they had been in the area, but they struck me as people who would have been happy to share the land with anyone back then.

@stormy4319trevor

It's really quite sad as they are a noble, peaceful and historic group that has been caught in the middle of this conflict and who probably have a greater claim to the land than either the Palestinians or the Israelis.

@1dayatatime I have to go out soon, but will read those links later. They are a really interesting group of people.

@stormy4319trevor
@EllaDisenchanted

Sadly it seems that the Bedouin have become the forgotten victims of this conflict who suffered 19 victims of n the 7th October attack or that a number of the hostages held by Hamas are Bedouin children taken from a small Bedouin village in Israel near the border with Gaza.

www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231017-negev-bedouins-israel-s-forgotten-victims-of-the-hamas-attack-rally-to-provide-aid

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67573069.amp

The Bedouin have terrible suffered discrimination over the years from the Ottomans, British and Israelis but hopefully if there is any positive out of this horrible conflict that might just appear to be changing:

www.israelhayom.com/2024/02/14/bedouin-heroes-who-risked-lives-died-saving-others-on-oct-7-honored/

Finally given that there is evidence of Bedouins being in Israel from the 7th to 4th century BC then historically and based on the fact that they have always been there then they probably have a greater claim to these lands than either the Israelis or the Palestinians do.

@EllaDisenchanted Thank you for looking that up. The impression I had was that their identity was really important to them. They seemed to live in villages, but travel for seasonal work, so not really fully nomadic. I suppose they are a culture in transition.

@stormy4319trevor could be. I looked it up and this came up on wikipedia "Today, many Bedouin call themselves 'Negev Arabs' rather than 'Bedouin', explaining that 'Bedouin' identity is intimately tied in with a pastoral nomadic way of life – a way of life they say is over. Although the Bedouin in Israel continue to be perceived as nomads, today all of them are fully sedentarized, and about half are urbanites.[19]" It definitely seems complicated!

@EllaDisenchanted Maybe it's different now? This was in my backpacking days of the 90s, Moshav and Kibbutz. Bedouin workers called themselves Bedouin, but the Israeli workers called them the Arabs.

@stormy4319trevor out of interest where have you seen that? That is quite surprising to me, I have only ever heard them referred to as Bedouins here. (There were some living at one point on a hill/mountain nearby, although they appear to have moved on).